Things are not always what they seem! (EV etiquette)

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So first of all - I finally have my ZS EV Trophy Connect Long Range (#TeamBlack) - picked up last Friday - and I'm quite delighted, coming from a 2017 Leaf 30kWh Tekna. There are some software quirks and I'll do a separate post on my experiences after a few more long-ish trips this week.

Before anyone asks - I originally ordered locally in Feb (non-connect) with "mid May delivery". When I was told that was pushed to late August, and reading all the long delay threads on here - interspersed by really lucky people that only had to wait a couple of weeks - I spotted that on the AutoTrader site (I think that was it) - you can ask dealers to contact you about cars.

After a number of dealers calling me without any cars in stock - I got a call from MG Hull (200 miles away, but worth it) who told me they'd sell me their demonstrator car (connect) ordered in "December" that was due in "mid June" - and was already on a ship (this was mid April). True to his word - it arrived and I have it. I still can't quite believe it.

In a hotel in Rotherham where I was staying, they had FREE slow chargers (BP Pulse) - so I decided to do my first part-charge on them overnight. However, I spent around 1.5 hours trying different car statuses - off, both "on but not ready" modes; 2 different cables(!); two different phones(!); two different BP accounts - but simply could not get the MG to charge.... It failed when doing the handshake... Other cars came and went and happily charged on it all weekend

I admitted defeat (and, to be honest, cursed my car choice), and resorted to charge on the only other charger in the car park - Polar @ 57p/kW ! - and that price was on any charging speed! - but I picked slow charging because of being kind to the battery - between 12am and 6:30am (charge started instantly no problems as expected - phew)

In the morning I had a paper on my car windscreen (see screenshot).
I can understand their frustration, but things are not always what they seem and the author of the note didn't realise that my MG is a bit "beta" in some software aspects.

If you don't yet have this amazing compact car - may the winds push forth delayed orders, but if you're waiting around - have a look round for other dealers who may be doing the same thing - since there's no more sunroof models - I expect there may be quite a few existing demo units or ordered units that will get sold off. Good luck.


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Very strange post and I have to agree with the person who left the note.

You have been a member since August 21 so it would be hard to believe you have not read posts about charging etiquette. Blocking a rapid charger for 6 1/2 hours is not acceptable.

Slow charged because you wanted to be kind to your battery. Really?? Have you not read any posts in the 10 months you have been a member. The car is designed to be fast charged to 80%

BP Pulse have started charging a £10 fee for every 30 minutes the car is connected after an initial allowance of 90 minutes. Check your next invoice, you may be hit with a penalty of £100
 
Would some kind soul explain the issue regarding choosing the Type 2 charger over the 7kw charger. I would like to avoid doing this but need to understand the impact my actions have on others.
 
Type 2 is the design of the connector. On the ZS it is limited to a maximum of 7kw. some other EVs can charge at 22kw on a type 2 connector. These are the cables you have to plug in yourself to the charging unit.

Anything higher than this, usually 50kw to 150kw, the connectors are called CCS or Chademo and are fixed to the charging unit.

For the ZS you use the CCS connector and open the second flap to accomodate the slightly larger connector.
 
So in the case of the little note left on @luis windscreen, the complainant is saying that a person who is slow charging should use the 7kw charger, presumably with their own Type 2 cable, and not the 22kW charger with the attached cable. Sorry to appear dim but like most I am on a learning curve.

The key etiquette point being that when charging use the facility to its greatest power delivery potential to minimize the time spent using the charge point?
 
Deliberately tying up the rapid for hours on end is surely a huge 'no', especially as you said it was the only other charger.

Why not just top-up to 80% as quickly as possible since it should be no issue? I can't understand the reasoning for picking slow given it's not your first EV? Maybe I've misread you or I'm missing something here since it's largely new to me :unsure:
 
This wouldn't have happened if the rapid charger didn't have 7 kW charger on it as well point less
It didn't have a 7 kW charger, it would've been 22kW AC minimum it would've been the car just sipping 7 kW as that's all it can handle on AC. Have to agree OP should've used the CCS.
 
I’m not sure if this charger is the same as the rapid I use (Osprey) but it has CCS and Chademo that are tethered and an untethered 22kwh on the side. When I charge using the CCS, the bonnet app shows the Chademo as unavailable but does still show the 22kwh AC as available. Would the CCS not still have been available assuming there were 2 parking spots?
 
I’m not sure if this charger is the same as the rapid I use (Osprey) but it has CCS and Chademo that are tethered and an untethered 22kwh on the side. When I charge using the CCS, the bonnet app shows the Chademo as unavailable but does still show the 22kwh AC as available. Would the CCS not still have been available assuming there were 2 parking spots?
It would be good to know the answer to this, just in case I should find myself in the same position - I'm not looking to face the wrath of a frustrated EV owner.

Of course, you will still get ICE drivers blocking the charger. Found this one today :-(

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I don't understand this. Is it just to be closer to the store/buildings ect? It seems like there were other spaces free.
 
Of course, you will still get ICE drivers blocking the charger. Found this one today :-(

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Had to be a BMW, if there is ever a driver tailgating or swerving between lanes on the motorway it is generally a 5 series

2016 diesel 520, shame the cables arent long enough to be able to block it in.

Might be worth sending the photo to Gridserve or the owner of the services, they may be able to issue a fine as it does say ev cars only?

The worse case i saw was at cannon park in coventry. EV in a rapid charging space not charging, waited and lady returned and then gave me a load of abuse when i asked her to move as she wasnt leaving, she had forgotten her purse.
 
It would be good to know the answer to this, just in case I should find myself in the same position - I'm not looking to face the wrath of a frustrated EV owner.


I don't understand this. Is it just to be closer to the store/buildings ect? It seems like there were other spaces free.
Most rapid chargers show the unused connector as available but you cant start a charge if another car is already charging

I read somewhere some networks are looking to add simultaneous charging but one of the issues is the infrastructure to supply enough power to the chargers themselves.
 
It would be good to know the answer to this, just in case I should find myself in the same position - I'm not looking to face the wrath of a frustrated EV owner.


I don't understand this. Is it just to be closer to the store/buildings ect? It seems like there were other spaces free.

There were lots of empty spaces for the main building. However, it was close to the external Starbucks. The driver was probably in there taking his time to have a coffee.
 
Most rapid chargers show the unused connector as available but you cant start a charge if another car is already charging

I read somewhere some networks are looking to add simultaneous charging but one of the issues is the infrastructure to supply enough power to the chargers themselves.
Interesting, thanks for clarifying
 
OK - reading your replies, I can also see your perspectives.

Let me try to explain myself better:

The car was given to me with 100% charge.
I was down to 55% charge and wanted to bring the car back to 100% for my 200 mile journey home, and wanted the battery to balance - which as far as I know should be done no faster than 7kW. If I had fast charged, I’d have to hang around into the early hours of the morning to unplug the car and still be stuck at 80%…

It was midnight and I really thought it wouldn’t inconvenience anyone overnight as I’d never seen anyone use the paid Polar charger during the weekend and I’d picked the “slow” cable letting others use the fast connectors - or so I thought.

Admittedly, I’d forgotten that the type 2 can deliver 22kW for certain cars - having lived with a leaf my mind set equated 7kW with type 2.

I also hadn’t realised that the charger with 2 parking spots and 3 tethered connectors (ccs, chademo + type 2) would not allow anyone else to use it - seems odd to me. I’m sure I’ve been on chademo on my leaf whilst someone else used a type 2 on a single charger ¯\(ツ)

There’s been no payment taken above £15.

It’s all a learning curve which is why I’m sharing my experience.

Oh, and it was the “only other charger” in the hotel car park - there were other chargers not too far away.

Anyway - I just thought it was nice for someone to write me a note instead of damaging my car, but I couldn’t get the free BP pulse 2x 7kWh to work with the MG despite trying very hard, so I resorted to paying for the electricity; annoyed some fellow EV driver; and learned a thing or two.
 
I'm probably being mentally slow here, but why the need to balance the battery at this point via (and by blocking) a public rapid? Why not do that closer to home on a slow &/or fast charger?

Wouldn't going from 55-80% on the rapid have been fairly quick, and then planning a minor pitstop en route have been a better way to get the best out of charging speeds, and less time tying up the units? That's a genuine question, as that's how I've understood it being a way to better tackle long journeys.
 
Most rapid chargers show the unused connector as available but you cant start a charge if another car is already charging

I read somewhere some networks are looking to add simultaneous charging but one of the issues is the infrastructure to supply enough power to the chargers themselves.
Thank you for explaining. It's something I'll look out for, and hopefully won't risk someone keying my car over 😁
 
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