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Kevin Marshall

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Hi Does anybody have any thought on the best way to charge my MG Zs? I don’t want to over charge it and ruin the battery life. Thing like is it ok to charge it up to 100% every time? How low should I leave it before I charge again? Or is this all a bit trail and error. Thank in advance from a first timer EV
 
For standard range advice is charge whenever to 100% don't leave it standing at full charge for days though. I charge about one or twice a week to full when it drops below 50% but if there is free charging I always charge even if car is at 80%+
Great thank you
Depends are you talking long-range and short-range battery?
 
I have a long range one
Then keep charge 30 to 80 and charge to 100 when needed for long journey or once a month or less if not using much dc charging
And when at a 100 leave it charging over night for a balance charge maybe every 4 months
 
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What sort of milage do you do and do you have a 7kW EVSE or are you using the 'granny'?
 
I do about 70 miles a day and my Zappi is set to add 2/3 hours so that covers it.
I keep the charge between 50-80 percent then balance the batteries once a monthish
 
I go about 100 miles every 8 to 10 days.
I then charge to 100% on my 7 Kw Zappi charger. I try to do this on sunny days to get a few extra free Kw.
My advantage is I am retired so I can pick the best time to charge.
I am assuming that as I charge to 100% it automatically balances the cells ?
The charge does slow down in the last hour.
 
I go about 100 miles every 8 to 10 days.
I then charge to 100% on my 7 Kw Zappi charger. I try to do this on sunny days to get a few extra free Kw.
My advantage is I am retired so I can pick the best time to charge.
I am assuming that as I charge to 100% it automatically balances the cells ?
The charge does slow down in the last hour.
From what I have read the balancing of the batteries is done after the car is at 100% so I leave it on charge for an extra 3 hours for the balancing to occur.
I normally do this once a month on my SR MG5.
 
While balancing the car draws 300-500w so you will see this on your IHD if you do it regularly then it shouldn't take long unless you do a lot of rapid charging
 
Hi Does anybody have any thought on the best way to charge my MG Zs? I don’t want to over charge it and ruin the battery life. Thing like is it ok to charge it up to 100% every time? How low should I leave it before I charge again? Or is this all a bit trail and error. Thank in advance from a first timer EV
My car seems to only charge to a max 95% even on a rapid 175 Kw Shell garage
 
Hi Does anybody have any thought on the best way to charge my MG Zs? I don’t want to over charge it and ruin the battery life. Thing like is it ok to charge it up to 100% every time? How low should I leave it before I charge again? Or is this all a bit trail and error. Thank in advance from a first timer EV
Hi Kevin,

We had a !st generation MG ZS EV for eighteen months, the range on this car (hwn 100% fully charged) fell from 154 miles to 139 miles in normal mode during that time. This was at similar temperatures so this was not the cause of the reduction.

When trading in for the long range Trophy model we were told that we should have kept the car fully charged as far as possibe and at least once a month charge with the granny cable (the charger supplied with the car that plugs into a 13 amp socket). In addition only use a fast charger when you really need to. By doing this, we were told, the life of the individual cells will be maximised.

The thing you should definitely not do is leave the battery with low charge for extended periods.
 
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Hi Does anybody have any thought on the best way to charge my MG Zs? I don’t want to over charge it and ruin the battery life. Thing like is it ok to charge it up to 100% every time? How low should I leave it before I charge again? Or is this all a bit trail and error. Thank in advance from a first timer EV
Max 80 per cent unless going on long journey, do not drop below 20 if you can help it
David
 
Hi Does anybody have any thought on the best way to charge my MG Zs? I don’t want to over charge it and ruin the battery life. Thing like is it ok to charge it up to 100% every time? How low should I leave it before I charge again? Or is this all a bit trail and error. Thank in advance from a first timer EV
Watched a utube video and it said charge to 100 per cent with l/r zs saying that I only charge once a week hope that helps
 
I am in Australia and work in km and I have a short range "original" MG ZS EV. The way I charge is to run the car down to about 100 km and charge it for two and a half hours on a Zappi 6.8 amp charger to bring it up to 200 km of its 265 km full charge. I have an Apple iPhone and just tell my phone, "Hey Siri, set an alarm for two and a half hours. One hour on the Zappi is 40 km so 2.5 hours is 100 km added. If I am using the granny charger I work on 12 km per hour. About once a month (or when I neglect to turn it off) I let it run overnight to get a good balancing charge. (You may want to charge your 12v battery occasionally using a trickle charger.)
 
With charging it is probably worth looking at advice from Tesla who have the most knowledge and experience.
Electric Vehicles have two methods of charging.
First is AC using the Menkes Type 2 socket, (The upper bit) and this uses the car's own Battery Monitoring System (BMS). This is a very clever piece of kit as it monitors the battery including all the individual cells.
It will not allow you to overcharge the battery and can perform cell balancing if the car if left on charge, say over night.
This is worth doing once a month, more often if you continually Rapid (DC) charge because you are 'on the road' a lot.
Second is DC charging, using the lower half of that plug at the front.
The difference is that the BMS doesn't have full control of the charging, only 'telling' the DC charger how much current and at what voltage to deliver, otherwise it is a DC source almost straight to the battery.
It is generally agreed, though with newer battery technologies this is changing, that using Rapid DC charging (50Kw and above) charging to 80% is advisable.
There is nothing wrong with charging to 100% except the charge rate drops off drastically after 80% and takes far longer to charge, thus hogging a charger unnecessarily.
If no one is waiting and you are not in a hurry, the 100% is perfectly OK. The proviso that this isn't done all the time as the the cells will go out of balance and your range will be reduced until you balance the batteries using AC and the car's BMS.
Research has shown that the capacity of the battery falls initially, then recovers often to the same or sometimes higher than it was originally due to the battery chemicals stabilising!
TeslaBjorn aka Bjorn Nyland, on YouTube has some very interesting facts regarding EVs and their batteries and is widely regarded as a useful, accurate source of information.
Interesting to watch even if you find his delivery 'quirky'. A Thai in Norway!!
 
The difference is that the BMS doesn't have full control of the charging, only 'telling' the DC charger how much current and at what voltage to deliver, otherwise it is a DC source almost straight to the battery.
That isn't a whole lot different to AC charging, where the BMS sends CAN commands to the On Board Charger (OBC), telling it not to exceed this much current or this much voltage. It's possible that the granularity of the charge current might be lower with the DC charging, but apart from that, the only real difference is that the power conversion equipment is outside the vehicle.

So I would argue that with DC charging, the BMS really has full control. If it wanted to, I suspect that you could do balancing with DC charging, but of course that would be a terrible waste of public charging resource. I suspect that's the only reason that balancing doesn't happen on DC charging: that it's unthinkable, not that it's not possible.
 
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