Re ZS Trophy LR weekend loan

@MichaelJHunt
Thank you for that - I didn’t know! Certainly got to be better than constantly saying ‘hey Siri’ all the time

So, the car has gone back.

i must admit, i was sorry to see it go. Getting back into my Hybrid Toyota C-HR and it’s revving its nuts off trying to get to 70 mph on a dual carriageway, was very, very annoying!

i have commented earlier on the positives, so no need to bore you all with the minutiae of my experience’s. Suffice to say, it is very, very positive. Having had the the SR (standard range), i am relieved that i ordered the LR. I honestly feel, with my motorway driving and distance from relatives, would definitely induce range anxiety.

In addition t my earlier post regarding dealer observations, they also did say (whilst not getting any LR ZSs’ since launch (to sell that is), they were informed that the other MG dealers coming on stream were being afforded stock (seemingly from no-where), to help the “Newbies” out.

Out of all the orders they had open on the books, for the LR customers, the only one they have confirked is a Black T LR for a customer who ordered in December 21.

They also said that they believe the LR orders will need to come through soon as if not, MG would get major fines (forgive me, do not know the details) but something to do with each manufacturer haviong to have a certain percentage of vehicles complying with world targets. Gawd only knows what’s the ”why’s and where-fore’s” are on that !!

so back to the point.

I honestly believe, anyone tee’d up to buy this car wil be well chuffed, if and when it ever arrives.

for two grand extra, beg , steel and borrow, to get the LR version (should they ever make any for purchase that is).

get a retro fit of front and rear parking sensors (camera helps, but not the answer)….asked the question and my dealer ….Charlie’s Warner in Lincoln, recommend a local firm to retro fit these in colour coded sensors……..also add a retro fit of rear privacy glass also.

finally…..do NOT go for the SR….if they ever build a LR in readiment for sale ……go for the LR.

Thanks for your very positive views. I totally agree that the LR is the one to go for.

MichaelJHunt said:

Thanks for your very positive views. I totally agree that the LR is the one to go for.

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So pleased that your vehicle is imminent mate. I envy you

I suspect that many of us would be happy with the SR. Firstly the public charging arrangements are much better than they were but if you haven't been looking for them you probably missed them. There are hundreds of rapid chargers; the motorways are probably the week link now because the DNOs have been given the approval to get sufficient power to the sites; they were given that in May 2021 having put forward their detailed projects to Ofgem some time at the beginning of 2021 they have failed to get cracking. Yes they might need kit; BIG transformers and overhead lines approval but they really are dragging their feet. I can only find details of the projects on the Northern Power web site which state finish dates during 2023. Watts Up app is probably the most helpful for finding chargers en route and slightly off; that is the beauty of that app, it finds them 3 or 4 miles off route so that you can find somewhere pleasant to stop. And the chemistry of the SR battery is more resilient to use; as far as I can make out likely to be happy with up to 10,000 charges/discharges. With the battery heater to ensure you can get a decent rate of charge I would be happy with the SR. Having got a Mk 1 with 42 kWh battery and finding I only use rapid chargers 7 or 8 times a year and only to add a few kWh at a time even when I do day trips of 230 miles a few times a year. The bugbear has been on coolish days turning up to a rapid charger and only getting 30 kW delivered and not the ~60 I might hope for.

BrianG said:

I suspect that many of us would be happy with the SR. Firstly the public charging arrangements are much better than they were but if you haven't been looking for them you probably missed them. There are hundreds of rapid chargers; the motorways are probably the week link now because the DNOs have been given the approval to get sufficient power to the sites; they were given that in May 2021 having put forward their detailed projects to Ofgem some time at the beginning of 2021 they have failed to get cracking. Yes they might need kit; BIG transformers and overhead lines approval but they really are dragging their feet. I can only find details of the projects on the Northern Power web site which state finish dates during 2023. Watts Up app is probably the most helpful for finding chargers en route and slightly off; that is the beauty of that app, it finds them 3 or 4 miles off route so that you can find somewhere pleasant to stop. And the chemistry of the SR battery is more resilient to use; as far as I can make out likely to be happy with up to 10,000 charges/discharges. With the battery heater to ensure you can get a decent rate of charge I would be happy with the SR. Having got a Mk 1 with 42 kW battery and finding I only use rapid chargers 7 or 8 times a year and only to add a few kW at a time even when I do day trips of 230 miles a few times a year. The bugbear has been on coolish days turning up to a rapid charger and only getting 30 kW delivered and not the ~60 I might hope for.

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The SR battery will typically manage 4000 charge cycles down to 80% SOH. That’s works out at around 600,000 miles

The LR battery is typically good for 2000 cycles for the 80% SOH figure. That works out at around 400,000 miles.

The LR SOH decline can be improved by good charging practice.

The SR battery requires charging to 100% so the BMS can work out battery level by integrating current (Amps) usage. Because of this the cycle life cannot easily be extended.

In saying that, either battery will probably outlive ownership of the car.

If longish distance driving is not a regular requirement, and you can charge at home, then the SR will probably meet a lot of peoples’ requirements for a day-to-day car.

My experience today of driving 226 miles in the LR and still having 30% of the battery left gives me total confidence that I won’t suffer any range anxiety.

Les burrows said:

Hi thanks for that Dave we learn something everyday mines about 22 months old now.
Edit
Harry17, sorry I give you some wrong information about the Hub for the Zappi, but I can see you have got it sorted and as ZSDave has explained the latest units like yours have the Hub built in now so getting better all the time the Zappi but I was unaware of that upgrade so apologies for that.
Les

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That’s interesting, I had a Zappi fitted a couple of weeks ago along with a separate hub? Maybe I got an older model. Perhaps that was why it was one of the cheaper quotes!

The standard range is perfectly suitable for me, as I have no need to drive long distances any more.

MichaelJHunt said:

The SR battery will typically manage 4000 charge cycles down to 80% SOH. That’s works out at around 600,000 miles

The LR battery is typically good for 2000 cycles for the 80% SOH figure. That works out at around 400,000 miles.

The LR SOH decline can be improved by good charging practice.

The SR battery requires charging to 100% so the BMS can work out battery level by integrating current (Amps) usage. Because of this the cycle life cannot easily be extended.

In saying that, either battery will probably outlive ownership of the car.

If longish distance driving is not a regular requirement, and you can charge at home, then the SR will probably meet a lot of peoples’ requirements for a day-to-day car.

My experience today of driving 226 miles in the LR and still having 30% of the battery left gives me total confidence that I won’t suffer any range anxiety.

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To highlight a point made here "and you can charge at home" I am one of the few brave (crazy) soles getting an EV with no home charger so reliant on public charging. (I do have a thread on here regarding owning an EV without a home charger.)

On an average month my miles are not high 200-250. Having the LR will allow me not to have to charge as often.

I also do a few long trips every few months to visit family in France so the extra millage will help there too.

In the end the SR and LR are both great it just depends on your personal needs and situation.

I guess my comment of begging/ stealing/borrowing £2K to get the LR was, in hindsight, an idiotic thing to say.

i should have added for persons that fall into my category, where we possibly do more mileage than most.

I must say though, I felt the SR did seem to use the battery more than I anticipated, and my worry was forecasted use come Winter. Again, this is my use only, and obviously not for all members of the EV fraternity.

Apologies for generalising.

Reason I don't like SR
The charging 100% sound good but the car needs it for the bms to manage the battery properly and give more accurate range the voltage is the same at 30% to 80% so in thoughts figures battery state of charge is a guess ie if you park up at 60% you come back to 40% drive 10 miles and it stays at 40% in winter months I can only see this getting worse tesla can't fix this problem so I very much doubt MG will 100% charge is the only sort of fix for this but you can't always start at a 100 for accurate information
Winter driving is a worry

N2STY said:

Reason I don't like SR
The charging 100% sound good but the car needs it for the bms to manage the battery properly and give more accurate range the voltage is the same at 30% to 80% so in thoughts figures battery state of charge is a guess ie if you park up at 60% you come back to 40% drive 10 miles and it stays at 40% in winter months I can only see this getting worse tesla can't fix this problem so I very much doubt MG will 100% charge is the only sort of fix for this but you can't always start at a 100 for accurate information
Winter driving is a worry

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I think the charging to 100% is to give the BMS a known starting position for the SOC%. It can then integrate the current (Amps) being used while driving to better estimate the SOC.

It’s just a happy coincidence that the SR batteries don’t suffer so much from charging to 100%.

Harry 17 said:

So, the car has gone back.

i must admit, i was sorry to see it go. Getting back into my Hybrid Toyota C-HR and it’s revving its nuts off trying to get to 70 mph on a dual carriageway, was very, very

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I won’t say I told you so - but I did .
I told you, you would miss it straight away when it went back to the dealer.
It really is surprising how quickly you get use to not listening to that engine screaming away under the bonnet.
Absolutely priceless !.
I found that your driving style changes to reflect / suit the relaxed state of driving an EV somehow ?.
It’s just a nice place to be.

Lovemyev said:

I won’t say I told you so - but I did .
I told you, you would miss it straight away when it went back to the dealer.
It really is surprising how quickly you get use to not listening to that engine screaming away under the bonnet.
Absolutely priceless !.
I found that your driving style changes to reflect / suit the relaxed state of driving an EV somehow ?.
It’s just a nice place to be.

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Agreed and yes, you did. actually my wife is more heavy footed than me (in more ways than one!!!! But wont go into that on here ). So `I believe if we both had one, I would definitely change my driving habits to suit, and would generally get at least an extra 30 miles per charge than her .

Here’s hoping that I get the car before my current lease ends (Jan 23). Sooner would be even better!