Charged to 100% for a long(ish) trip

AK OK said:
The corollary argument to yours is remove all speed limits & let the people decide how fast to go?

Does that make sense to you?
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Taking argument to absurdity doesn't work. When people feel speed limits are arbitrary rather than make sense they ignore them. As in example with 20 speed limit on previously 60 Road. It doesn't mean that people ignore all the speed limits just those that appear to make no sense. 60 country road often sees people to do 60 still.

Speed limits should be made to make sense not as some crazy control exercise. I am not opposed to 40 road where 40 road makes sense just like I wouldn't opose 90 A road where 90 A road makes sense. However arbitrary attitude of "let's just makes all roads slower" isn't really any solution at all. You seem to want to keep some road 50 just for a sake of it even if 70 is safe there that doesn't sound like logical way of running the road network
 
Maciej said:
Taking argument to absurdity doesn't work.
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But you accept limits are necessary - this is an important step...
Maciej said:
When people feel speed limits are arbitrary rather than make sense they ignore them. As in example with 20 speed limit on previously 60 Road. It doesn't mean that people ignore all the speed limits just those that appear to make no sense. 60 country road often sees people to do 60 still.
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60 to 20 sounds like more absurdity
Maciej said:
Speed limits should be made to make sense not as some crazy control exercise. I am not opposed to 40 road where 40 road makes sense just like I wouldn't opose 90 A road where 90 A road makes sense. However arbitrary attitude of "let's just makes all roads slower" isn't really any solution at all. You seem to want to keep some road 50 just for a sake of it even if 70 is safe there that doesn't sound like logical way of running the road network
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But why should you (& other seemingly time pressured drivers) decide what makes "sense" & what doesn't? Just so you can have your tea 4 minutes sooner than you would under a reduced speed limit on part of your route?🤔
 
We seem to be getting away from the original speed limit scenario which was inappropriate limits that make no sense. You could argue that most people would drive according to the prevailing conditions if limits no longer applied, but we've all seen the lunatics bombing down the motorways, in appalling weather, usually with no lights on to boot!
Unless everyone has the same danger threshold there will be extreme variations, again we've all got stuck behind some dodderer doing 37 mph on a road which is designated National Speed limit.
If all speed limits were based on logic, I 'm sure most would be adhered to. I'm discounting the driver who thinks the speed laws don't apply- no amount of legislation would be effective in their case!
 
With regards to the 20mph limits.
I had to go to a customer quite close to Croydon this week. I used to work this patch over 20 years ago and having moved out of the area, was the 1st time I have been back to the area.

Followed my Satnav to site and was really surprised how many 20mph limits there were, even on roads that seemed quite open, not just residential. I guess it is to limit "rat runs".

Anyway, point of my post is, in these areas I set my cruise to 22 mph, which is a gps confirmed 20mph. I left the dual carriageway and did approx 6 miles on the slower roads. in the 20mph limits where I was observing the speed limit, I was overtaken at speed 6 times ! This was by impatient motorists who were frustrated at the slow speed. The last overtake almost causing a collision with a vehicle in the opposite direction, who was also clearly over the 20mph limit.

I saw no speed cameras, either fixed or average to police these areas, also backed up by my nav app that did not warn of any cameras.
So, what is the point of the 20mph limits (in this area), if they are not monitored. I would actually say that in my situation, it made the journey more stressful and probably increased the chance of an accident or incident.
 
mgZSkarlak said:
With regards to the 20mph limits.
I had to go to a customer quite close to Croydon this week. I used to work this patch over 20 years ago and having moved out of the area, was the 1st time I have been back to the area.

Followed my Satnav to site and was really surprised how many 20mph limits there were, even on roads that seemed quite open, not just residential. I guess it is to limit "rat runs".

Anyway, point of my post is, in these areas I set my cruise to 22 mph, which is a gps confirmed 20mph. I left the dual carriageway and did approx 6 miles on the slower roads. in the 20mph limits where I was observing the speed limit, I was overtaken at speed 6 times ! This was by impatient motorists who were frustrated at the slow speed. The last overtake almost causing a collision with a vehicle in the opposite direction, who was also clearly over the 20mph limit.

I saw no speed cameras, either fixed or average to police these areas, also backed up by my nav app that did not warn of any cameras.
So, what is the point of the 20mph limits (in this area), if they are not monitored. I would actually say that in my situation, it made the journey more stressful and probably increased the chance of an accident or incident.
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That is my point in areas where speed limit feels like it's for a sake of it even people who normally stick too them overtake
 
I have witnessed a similar trend.
Let’s be honest, it is very easy in an EV to travel at any elicited speed very comfortably.
No gear changes etc, trying to find a gear that will suit the 20 Mph speed limit.
In some manual cars, 1st gear is to low and 2nd gear is too high.
It must be frustrating travelling behind a car that is able to chide SO slowly at any chosen speed !.
However, I had cars come racing up behind me then blasting the horn and gesturing to speed up !.
Or they pay no attention to the 20 Mph sign and just overtake at about 30 Mph.
If the police start enforcing this 20 Mph speed limit, it will be like catching 🎣 fish in a bucket !.
A possible £100 fine and three points could be earned very easily.
I am all in favour and of 20 Mph speed limits in areas of schools / hospitals etc, but some of chosen areas where these are placed seem a little OTT.
But like any other speed limit, regardless of the level, some people think they are purely there as a guide !.
When we are travelling, we offered turn to each other and heard saying these words :-
“He / She is not doing 30 Mph !”.
This can been seen across ALL speed restrictions, not just 30 Mph.
It matters NOT what speed you are going, somebody always wants to be the first person to arrive at where they are going !.
Motorway driving is no exception, just try travelling at a steady 70 Mph and count how many cars will pass you in just five minutes.
No wonder “Copart” has plenty of accident damaged cars to sell !.
 
Maciej said:
How!? I am not crazy fast driver mostly using cruise control and I rarely go above 3.5 mls/kWh. Did you drive that on eco, behind lorry with no Air con and radio or is that somehow your regular result?
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The radio and other small electrical stuff make no difference to range. Even heated seats and screens have little impact.
 
Maciej said:
That is my point in areas where speed limit feels like it's for a sake of it even people who normally stick too them overtake
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Then they need to learn not to. Simples.

All speed limits are "arbitrary", and too many drivers think that they know better but don't 100% of the time.

mgZSkarlak said:
I left the dual carriageway and did approx 6 miles on the slower roads. in the 20mph limits
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So assuming constant speeds 6 miles at 20 mph is 18 minutes, at 30 mph it's 12 minutes. Was the additional 6 minutes really that much out of your total journey time? Croydon is too densely populated and poorly laid out to be car friendly, so when we have to drive through such areas we just have to accept the time taken. Alternatively don't go there - my preferred option.
 
BugEyed said:
Then they need to learn not to. Simples.

All speed limits are "arbitrary", and too many drivers think that they know better but don't 100% of the time.



So assuming constant speeds 6 miles at 20 mph is 18 minutes, at 30 mph it's 12 minutes. Was the additional 6 minutes really that much out of your total journey time? Croydon is too densely populated and poorly laid out to be car friendly, so when we have to drive through such areas we just have to accept the time taken. Alternatively don't go there - my preferred option.
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Again it is naive assumption "People jeed to learn" has very low success rate as a public safety strategy so just deciding that is silly because it's not solving actual problem just shifts a blame to others. Issue with road safety isn't the 30 mph cars but the road layout, badly design crossings and parking spaces that hide pedestrians until last moment. Lack of bike infrastructure and lack of good walkability that leads to people and cars mixing in aces where it is dangerous. 20 mph isn't solving a problem it is shifting a problem from council and urban designers to drivers. Want to he angry at someone speak to your local city planners and people who found it not the drivers.

As for point 2. Yes reducing speed from 30 to 20 has a huge impact we aren't talking about a single car here but about whole traffic. Keeping ALL cars on a road for 33% of time longer will have enormous impact on a ability of a traffic to keep moving. This is asking for gridlock. You need to take changes proposed and multiply them by number of cars on the road often we are talking of 10s of 1000s cars.

20 is plenty crowd has very narrow view of a problem here and doesn't look at all other impact this change has on a traffic in town. Reducing speed by 1/3 in towns would require colossal changes to our roads, public transport and emergency services.
 
Maciej said:
Again it is naive assumption "People jeed to learn" has very low success rate as a public safety strategy so just deciding that is silly because it's not solving actual problem just shifts a blame to others. Issue with road safety isn't the 30 mph cars but the road layout, badly design crossings and parking spaces that hide pedestrians until last moment. Lack of bike infrastructure and lack of good walkability that leads to people and cars mixing in aces where it is dangerous. 20 mph isn't solving a problem it is shifting a problem from council and urban designers to drivers. Want to he angry at someone speak to your local city planners and people who found it not the drivers.

As for point 2. Yes reducing speed from 30 to 20 has a huge impact we aren't talking about a single car here but about whole traffic. Keeping ALL cars on a road for 33% of time longer will have enormous impact on a ability of a traffic to keep moving. This is asking for gridlock. You need to take changes proposed and multiply them by number of cars on the road often we are talking of 10s of 1000s cars.

20 is plenty crowd has very narrow view of a problem here and doesn't look at all other impact this change has on a traffic in town. Reducing speed by 1/3 in towns would require colossal changes to our roads, public transport and emergency services.
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So why not remove speed limits altogether, what is the point of them if they slow down traffic?
 
Because some traffic slowdown is necessary for safety but roads are designed around speed limits we have now. You can't just reduce speed limits without redesigning whole road network we have today. This view is too simplistic to work. I am not opposed to 20 mph if we spend several billions prior to it to redesign roads to fit those speeds but 20 is plenty advocates don't ever suggest that we do. You can't look at speed in isolation from all other aspects of moving traffic around.
 
Maciej said:
Because some traffic slowdown is necessary for safety but roads are designed around speed limits we have now. You can't just reduce speed limits without redesigning whole road network we have today. This view is too simplistic to work. I am not opposed to 20 mph if we spend several billions prior to it to redesign roads to fit those speeds but 20 is plenty advocates don't ever suggest that we do. You can't look at speed in isolation from all other aspects of moving traffic around.
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Portsmouth’s Total 20 mph implementation cost was £425,000 for 1200 roads (94% of its network). Per street this is £333 or £1,158 per km. £425,000 is equivalent to two signal controlled junctions. In the DfT review of Portsmouth’s 2nd year of this policy a 22% drop in collisions was found compared to previous 3 year’s average.

Oxford spent £300,000. The “value” of this reduction in casualties has enabled local authorities to show that implementing area-wide 20mph limit can provide a First Year Rate of Return of over 800%.

20mph limits (without traffic calming) are 7.2 times more cost effective per mile per hour reduced than 20mph zones.

Evidence from early implementations of town-wide 20mph limits have shown a 20%+ reduction in casualties.

Implementing a 20 mph limit scheme involves a public education campaign and consultation, signage, some signposts, and changing traffic regulation orders with advertising these in local media. ‘Light touch’ policing can enforce it.

Yes, there will be those that ignore it, they already ignore other speed limits.
 
MichaelJHunt said:
Yes, there will be those that ignore it, they already ignore other speed limits.
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Yes they do - I totally agree !.
I shake my head in disbelieve every year when my car insurance renewal arrives and it has increased year on year, without fail !.
Don’t you get tired of paying out for other peoples reckless / poor driving skills ?.
I know I surely do !.
Reading in the local press the other day, when somebody was caught driving at 50 Mph through a built up area.
I am sure you all read similar story’s ALL of the time.
Of course these people never get caught unless in ends up in an accident.
Only a few months ago my wife was pottering around on a shopping trip to the local supermarket, as she entered the roundabout, she applied her indicator to show her intent to that she intend to enter the roundabout.
Sitting at the second junction was a police car waiting to enter the roundabout.
As she passed him, she switched her indicator to show she was leaving the roundabout ( he had already started to enter at this point ).
As she corrected the steering, the indicator self cancelled itself ( it is very sensitive on her Fiat 500 ) she reapplied the indicator and left the roundabout.
100 yards down the road, he pulled her over and gave her a speech on how to correctly use the indicators on her car !.
She explained what had happened and he was clearly not interested or had anything else better to do with his valuable time.
 
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Anyone know how to reset the predicted range? Let my wife drive the car for 1 day and she managed to reduce predicted range from 250 to 229
 
ChrisMac said:
Anyone know how to reset the predicted range? Let my wife drive the car for 1 day and she managed to reduce predicted range from 250 to 229
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I hate to be obtuse but why does it matter? Your car will have exactly the same range with your driving style as it did before, the numbers don't mean anything.

But to answer your question I suspect resetting the trip by long pressing the OK button will do it.
 
The GOM has earned that rightful name and is a perfect fit for it !.
Typical example :- I charged to 80% on our Gen 2 facelift LR last night.
After conducting a 80% charge, the GOM will normally report 211 miles of predicted range.
Jumped into the car this morning, to see a predicted range of 224 miles on the GOM.
The "This journey" trip was at zero, but straight away I knew that the "Accumulated" trip would have some history stored behind it.
Resetting the "Accumulated" trip, reduced the range to 211 miles ( just one mile out from the normal, but it was a little chilly this morning.
We set off and after covering about 3 miles, the range had increased to 214 miles on the GOM.
Do I need to say anymore ?.
@Merry is totally correct, the car will actually cover the same actual distance regardless of resetting the trips.
You just have to be a little sceptical and cautious of believing in what the inflated GOM prediction can quote as real world range.
If I am taking on a long unknown journey, that is likely to push the range of the car, then I will reset both trips before starting out.
Then there is no nasty shocks as your car appears to me munching up the range faster than the GOM had original suggested.
By and large in half decent conditions, the ZS EV will consume energy on a "mile to mile" distance covered basis, so reset of the trips will go together "hand in hand" and be fairly close to each other.
I found this also to be beneficial aid for plotting the health status of the HV battery over the two years and 20,000 miles covered on our previous Gen 1 ZS EV.
Old habits die hard I guess 🤣.
 
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