Can we eliminate the creep?

AK OK said:

Parking brake is the P in the middle of the aluminium rotary dial shurely?

Think you're using the emergency brake

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P is park, Which engages the parking brake automatically as i said.

djenson said:

P is park, Which engages the parking brake automatically as i said.

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So what do you use the centre of the gear selector for? You know the one with the big P on it that puts the handbrake on?

AK OK said:

So what do you use the centre of the gear selector for? You know the one with the big P on it that puts the handbrake on?

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For putting the car in park which In the MG puts the parking brake on for you. Have you had an automatic car before?

djenson said:

For putting the car in park which In the MG puts the parking brake on for you. Have you had an automatic car before?

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So you think "park" is not the "parking brake"?

How many autos have you had? Ever read the manuals?

Park is a TRANSMISSION SELECTION Which involves putting the gearbox in neutral then putting in a locking pin so the driveshaft cannot move. The button your describe as the "Emergency brake button" is the Parking brake which involves using brake pads at the rear of the car.

In the MG the car sees that you are going into park, and will automatically apply the parking brake for you. In my previous automatics, they have not done this, and needed manually applying the parking brake. Some have automatically applied the parking brake but only in some situations, such as on a hill.

The parking brake button is still there however, as some like to engage the parking brake instead of holding the foot brake. This is where Auto hold comes in, as it automatically does that for you.

One current use I still have for the parking brake is moving the car with the seatbelt not engaged, as the car will automatically reapply the Parking brake if you move with it off

djenson said:

Park is a TRANSMISSION SELECTION Which involves putting the gearbox in neutral then putting in a locking pin so the driveshaft cannot move.

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Traditionally yes.
Who says the MGs do that though?

djenson said:

The button your describe as the "Emergency brake button" is the Parking brake which involves using brake pads at the rear of the car.

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As does pressing the P on the rotary dial.

It's in the manual. I highlighted it for you in red.

It says if the parking brake won't apply when you press the P on the rotary dial, you can hold the little (p) button up until it does & the light appears on the dash.

Quite what circumstances would need to be evident for this to be necessary is unknown to me as yet?

The noise you might hear is the electronic handbrake winding the pads out to grip the rear discs...

djenson said:

In the MG the car sees that you are going into park, and will automatically apply the parking brake for you.

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Like mystic meg?!

djenson said:

In my previous automatics, they have not done this, and needed manually applying the parking brake.

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I expect you had a literal traditional "handbrake" lever to pull as well as a P position on the gear selector?

Im correcting you saying that it is the emergency brake button. It is not that. It is the parking brake button.

There's a reason that there 2 seperate buttons, One park, one for the handbrake. The handbrake might want to be used independently of the gear selector - Limited situations? Yes, but they exist, such as people who don't like how auto hold works, but just want to be able to move off quickly in traffic.

I also know in Teslas, there's park and there's a separate option for a parking brake. In teslas case, Park engages the parking brake moderately, Then activating the parking brake option more tightly activates the parking brake for use on steep inclines.

Giving people the idea that the parking brake option does not not exist because "oh the parking brake turns on when I put it in park anyway" is potentially dangerous in this case.

AK OK said:

I expect you had a literal traditional "handbrake" lever to pull as well as a P position on the gear selector?

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No, this was an electronic handbrake, in one case, in a Mini Countryman automatic. The electric handbrake did not turn on with the car put into park, and needed to be set manually. It was also the case with a Jaguar XF, which also needed the handbrake setting manually, it did not automatically set if put into park.

However this is an MG forum. I am simply correcting you questioning someone use of the parking brake claiming its the emergency brake - that is incorrect.

I have no more to argue with you - It's the parking brake, The manual describes it as the parking brake, and it controls the parking brake and nothing else. End of.

djenson said:

Im correcting you saying that it is the emergency brake button. It is not that. It is the parking brake button.

There's a reason that there 2 seperate buttons, One park, one for the handbrake. The handbrake might want to be used independently of the gear selector - Limited situations? Yes, but they exist, such as people who don't like how auto hold works, but just want to be able to move off quickly in traffic.

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Autohold is what I think you might be better off using in that scenario. No button to press (once activated & stays on through off / on cycles)

djenson said:

I also know in Teslas, there's park and there's a separate option for a parking brake. In teslas case, Park engages the parking brake moderately,

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Wtf does that mean ? Moderately? Shurely to be any good it's either on or off?

djenson said:

Then activating the parking brake option more tightly activates the parking brake for use on steep inclines.

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It's getting confusing isn't it? "More tightly"? C'mon

djenson said:

Giving people the idea that the parking brake option does not not exist because "oh the parking brake turns on when I put it in park anyway" is potentially dangerous in this case.

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Yet that is what happens! Why TF is it called park & referred to in the manual as the proper way to engage it?

djenson said:

No, this was an electronic handbrake, in one case, in a Mini Countryman automatic. The electric handbrake did not turn on with the car put into park, and needed to be set manually. It was also the case with a Jaguar XF, which also needed the handbrake setting manually, it did not automatically set if put into park.

However this is an MG forum. I am simply correcting you questioning someone use of the parking brake claiming its the emergency brake - that is incorrect.

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The only use for that little switch in normal & correct operation of the ZS ev that I can see is to operate the emergency braking "feature".

Any other use case is covered by other "features" that don't necessitate pushing buttons & faffing about.

djenson said:

I have no more to argue with you - It's the parking brake, The manual describes it as the parking brake, and it controls the parking brake and nothing else. End of.

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The parking brake operates on the rear wheels. It is activated by the big P on the rotary dial, & potentially if the little switch is pulled up in an emergency . All in the manual. All pictures up thread. If you don't want to accept that that's fine crack on.

AK OK said:

Autohold is what I think you might be better off using in that scenario. No button to press (once activated & stays on through off / on cycles)


Wtf does that mean ? Moderately? Shurely to be any good it's either on or off?



It's getting confusing isn't it? "More tightly"? C'mon

Yet that is what happens! Why TF is it called park & referred to in the manual as the proper way to engage it?


The only use for that little switch in normal & correct operation of the ZS ev that I can see is to operate the emergency braking "feature".

Any other use case is covered by other "features" that don't necessitate pushing buttons & faffing about.

The parking brake operates on the rear wheels. It is activated by the big P on the rotary dial, & potentially if the little switch is pulled up in an emergency . All in the manual. All pictures up thread. If you don't want to accept that that's fine crack on.

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Not had a Tesla but I'm guessing the 'moderate' application is very similar to what it was in my Ioniq where it would simulate what happens in a traditional auto where if you just put it in park the car would move slightly before the transmission would engage a ratio and resist the movement of the car.

Bodgerx said:

Not had a Tesla but I'm guessing the 'moderate' application is very similar to what it was in my Ioniq where it would simulate what happens in a traditional auto where if you just put it in park the car would move slightly before the transmission would engage a ratio and resist the movement of the car.

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What & they replicated that? Seems unlikely to me...

More likely you take your foot off the brake pedal before the (rear) parking brake has fully engaged? So car creeps a smidge then gets stopped abruptly & then held by rear brakes?

Manual says you can apply the parking brake at upto 2km/h (or is it mph?) so might explain any such jerky stops on application?

AK OK said:

What & they replicated that? Seems unlikely to me...

More likely you take your foot off the brake pedal before the (rear) parking brake has fully engaged? So car creeps a smidge then gets stopped abruptly & then held by rear brakes?

Manual says you can apply the parking brake at upto 2km/h (or is it mph?) so might explain any such jerky stops on application?

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Nope. On my drive way it would actually rock back, the nature of it it sort of moving back forth a touch is exactly like a real auto.

Bodgerx said:

Nope. On my drive way it would actually rock back, the nature of it it sort of moving back forth a touch is exactly like a real auto.

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Play in the pads& calipers?
You seriously think they've spent $$ making it do things like an old ice auto to make old men feel confident? Nah

AK OK said:

Play in the pads& calipers?
You seriously think they've spent $$ making it do things like an old ice auto to make old men feel confident? Nah

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There is a lot of sense in making it behave like a standard car.

I have owned several traditional auto (including DSG) cars.

I have owned the Ioniq EV and the MG ZS EV.

What I can tell you is that the behaviour and movement of the car is identical between the Ioniq and the traditional auto.

If you are going to tell me I am imagining it then I can't help you, sorry.

Bodgerx said:

There is a lot of sense in making it behave like a standard car.

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... when you put the handbrake on....? Righto whatever

Bodgerx said:

If you are going to tell me I am imagining it then I can't help you, sorry.

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Seems unlikely & another explanation seems more likely to me.

Bodgerx said:

Nope. On my drive way it would actually rock back, the nature of it it sort of moving back forth a touch is exactly like a real auto.

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On a slope it will roll back or forward if you let the footbrake go before the parking brake is fully applied.
You can hear the motor whirring at the rear when you apply the parking brake, keep your foot on the footbrake until the whirring stops and the electronic parking brake is fully on.
I'm not certain, but I don't believe there is a parking pawl on the ZS transmission and "P" on the selector or the small "P" button/lever on the centre console do exactly the same thing, i.e. clamp the rear wheels.

For some reason, every time I read the title of this thread, Rishi Sunak comes into my head.

I fall asleep..,,,

Tim Green said:

I fall asleep..,,,

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Quiet at the back?

Kithmo said:

On a slope it will roll back or forward if you let the footbrake go before the parking brake is fully applied.
You can hear the motor whirring at the rear when you apply the parking brake, keep your foot on the footbrake until the whirring stops and the electronic parking brake is fully on.
I'm not certain, but I don't believe there is a parking pawl on the ZS transmission and "P" on the selector or the small "P" button/lever on the centre console do exactly the same thing, i.e. clamp the rear wheels.

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I was writing about the Ioniq specifically

AK OK said:

... when you put the handbrake on....? Righto whatever

Seems unlikely & another explanation seems more likely to me.

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Explanation is one thing, experience another. The behaviour is the same. If you want to call that a coincidence then fine...