Mg4 trophy sales drop like a stone!

Les burrows said:
Can’t agree body style isn’t important engine are.
that’s the reason I drive the MG5 still I think the only EV estate at a reasonable cost today.

As for engines I think most BEVs it this sector are very much the same and all do the very same really.so I think today it’s the other way around body style does matter engines don’t.

Les
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People want SUVs, for ease of access or thst higher driving position.
If that’s what they want, better they’re EV versions.
I think the 5 might remain the only estate for long enough, no one really wants estates any more.
I’ve argued before I don’t think it’s an estate anyway, estates have a flat loading floor and the 5 has a very definite lip.
It’s really just a slightly extended hatchback.
My BIL taxi driver now runs a 5 and advises he can’t get anything like as many suitcases in compared with his Kia ICE estate.
 
BYD is a serious rival.
But you are not comparing likes for likes.
Being an SUV , the atto 3 has got a higher drag coefficient and possibly much heavier, so the effeciency is much lower than the mg4. If you are a lone commuter trying to save on fuel... There is little sense in dragging a larger SUV....
Choice of EV is very delicate matter and every driver has his her own specific need.
Plus,,,,EVs will be coming more and more, more variety, more competitive pricing, it has just began.
So don't commit to an investment now. Lease for 2 to 3 years and wait for the next bargain....
 
Bowfar
I agree with lot of what you have written above no MG5 it’s not the best estate estate car I have ever owned coming from a range or Skoda estate cars which where far better luggers but they where all ICE vehicles and are for me now dead in the water or very shortly will be.
SUVs have they place and yes better being EVs I agree I have a friend who drives a Range Rover sport does around a 3 miles school run twice a day 5 days a week and then is moaning it’s only doing less than 20 mpg get an EV I keep saying best thing ever in that scenario.
Les
 
So where is the data supporting the thread title that the MG4 Trophy sales are or have been dropping like a stone.
Because the only accurate data for new car registrations is that provided by the SMMT monthly figures.
And that is issued at the end of the first week of the new month.
Also, when issued, it would only be a bulk figure for a particular car type and not for individual versions like the Trophy for example.
 
dido said:
BYD is a serious rival.
But you are not comparing likes for likes.
Being an SUV , the atto 3 has got a higher drag coefficient and possibly much heavier, so the effeciency is much lower than the mg4. If you are a lone commuter trying to save on fuel... There is little sense in dragging a larger SUV....
Choice of EV is very delicate matter and every driver has his her own specific need.
Plus,,,,EVs will be coming more and more, more variety, more competitive pricing, it has just began.
So don't commit to an investment now. Lease for 2 to 3 years and wait for the next bargain....
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Not a lot of a difference in weight.
Atto is 1750 kgs, MG4 trophy is 1685 kgs.
 
Like them or not, these are early examples of competition for MG and other makes.
MG from being an early ’disrupter’ will soon have to reconsider their position.
This is where brand loyalty, reliability and good customer service starts to be a big advantage.
MG could have built a great customer foundation but I think that they have not done this due to poor customer service and unreliability issues.
They still have one of the best platforms in the MG4 and it will be interesting to see how it goes and if this is enough, as the competition increases.
MG will need to up their game and start to put the customer first if they want to continue to grow and be longer-term successful.
 
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Buster72 said:
So where is the data supporting the thread title that the MG4 Trophy sales are or have been dropping like a stone.
Because the only accurate data for new car registrations is that provided by the SMMT monthly figures.
And that is issued at the end of the first week of the new month.
Also, when issued, it would only be a bulk figure for a particular car type and not for individual versions like the Trophy for example.
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There isnt evidence. OP made up a dramatic BS headline 🙄
 
Getting away from the title, which isn't based on any figures.
I still don't see the two SE cars with any direct competitor, in terms of size and range.

The trophy definitely does, which can only be a good thing. Still no basis in fact whatsoever for the headline!
 
Leni16 said:
Getting away from the title, which isn't based on any figures.
I still don't see the two SE cars with any direct competitor, in terms of size and range.

The trophy definitely does, which can only be a good thing. Still no basis in fact whatsoever for the headline!
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The Leaf is still a competitor, especially as dealers are dropping prices.
It’s not as modern inside, I grant you.
I don’t mind the external looks, they’re subjective.
But the 40KW is just as fast as the SE and the 62KW is just as fast as the trophy.
And its completely dependable, totally sorted.
The most you hear about leafs is 12V battery failure, and that can take years.
It doesn’t have CCS but chademo is still everywhere.
 
bowfer said:
The Leaf is still a competitor, especially as dealers are dropping prices.
It’s not as modern inside, I grant you.
I don’t mind the external looks, they’re subjective.
But the 40KW is just as fast as the SE and the 62KW is just as fast as the trophy.
And its completely dependable, totally sorted.
The most you hear about leafs is 12V battery failure, and that can take years.
It doesn’t have CCS but chademo is still everywhere.
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The Leaf was a great car and Nissan had a massive jump on all manufacturers when it came to the EV market but have let it slip. But the Mk2 Leaf is still based on quite old battery tech and doesn't have active thermal management for the pack. No new EV should be missing something so crucial to battery degradation. My colleague has looked after his 66 plate from new (no rapid charging and 80-20% charging) and has 79%. Neighbour has the mk2 Leaf, 2 years old and has already lost 10%! My Mini still has 97% after 3 years.

They are however, extremely reliable cars and as you say, 12 volt battery and rusty discs are about it.

The other issue is how long will Chademo be supported by Gridserve, Instavolt, etc. Why would they support it when 99% of new EVs don't use it.
 
cbowen said:
The Leaf was a great car and Nissan had a massive jump on all manufacturers when it came to the EV market but have let it slip. But the Mk2 Leaf is still based on quite old battery tech and doesn't have active thermal management for the pack. No new EV should be missing something so crucial to battery degradation. My colleague has looked after his 66 plate from new (no rapid charging and 80-20% charging) and has 79%. Neighbour has the mk2 Leaf, 2 years old and has already lost 10%! My Mini still has 97% after 3 years.

They are however, extremely reliable cars and as you say, 12 volt battery and rusty discs are about it.

The other issue is how long will Chademo be supported by Gridserve, Instavolt, etc. Why would they support it when 99% of new EVs don't use it.
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Chademo or CCS doesn’t matter to many who only charge at home.
Same with thermal management, does not matter to many.
As for battery degradation, there are loads of examples of high mileage Leafs with minimal degradation, they’re not hard to find.
Perhaps your neighbour is suffering because he only does 20-80% ( which I’ve always thought is a load of horlicks anyway )
As with any EV, the leaf needs 100% charges to balance the pack.
 
bowfer said:
Chademo or CCS doesn’t matter to many who only charge at home.
Same with thermal management, does not matter to many.
As for battery degradation, there are loads of examples of high mileage Leafs with minimal degradation, they’re not hard to find.
Perhaps your neighbour is suffering because he only does 20-80% ( which I’ve always thought is a load of horlicks anyway )
As with any EV, the leaf needs 100% charges to balance the pack.
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Nope. Balance charges every week. I agree Chademo isn't an issue for home charging as its only for rapid but inconvenient but it also uses type 1 for AC charging. Pain in the arse if your other EV is type 2.

Same colleague had a 24kwh Leaf but the battery deg was too much and lost too much range. Technology has moved on from the Leaf. Just like it will for the MG4 in 10 years time. Good as a used vehicle if you could get one cheap but the lack of Active Battery Management in a new EV is poor and inexcusable really.
 
bowfer said:
I don’t agree that SUVs are “fashions” because fashions come and go.
SUVs aren’t going anywhere.
It’s been said time and time again many people prefer the ease of access of an SUV.
Easier to get in and out, easier to get kids strapped into a seat without breaking your back etc
I don’t see why body style is important, engine is.
So if Chantarelle buys one of these to get Urethra to school instead of an ICE, great.

PS just you wait and see, it won’t be long until there’s a higher version of the 4 comes along.
That would have been more sensible than their vanity project performance version.
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Chantarelle is entitled to spend her money as she sees fit, just not my cuppa.
I think what I mainly dislike about 'SUV's is that most of them are pretending to be something they're simply not.
JUH ( jacked up hatch ) would be a more honest initialism for this type of vehicle.
I have a totally different feeling when I spot an old defender or rangie or whatever pulling a horsebox. Proper use of a capable vehicle, no bullshit posing.

I hope that when little Urethra grows out of her car seat, Chantarelle will take a look at an estate or hatch EV, she might find it suits her just as well, and is more of a pleasure to scoot down the local b roads with.
 
davz said:
Whilst waiting for Mg to sort out all the problems before a order one I’ve now changed my mind completely due to new competition.

The BYD Atto 3 is now available from stratstone. The price looks very pricey for an unknown Chinese car but the advertised price has a £4K dealer contribution, so £34k against the trophy at £33.2k. The Atto has metallic paint, electric panoramic roof, HEAT PUMP and most importantly rear passenger lights😂
The spec makes the trophy seriously over priced, which I have always thought. The SE is the only mg to consider buying. I can see some serious discounts on the trophy.

To top it all the Atto is available for immediate delivery and a very competitive pcp.

I’m not sure if I should get the Atto or wait until the end of the year for the Fisker sport at £36k, I do know that the trophy is out of the running unless there is a serious price drop!

BYD Atto 3 Comfort Parkour Red

www.stratstone.com www.stratstone.com
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I've been watching the Atto 3 davz and it looks like a good buy with good range and power + their blade batteries - as long as the back-up is there for any problems, also like the look of the Atto 4 or "Seal" and depends on price but that would be my choice
 
Each to their own but the interior design of the Atto 3 is, in my humble opinion, an abomination 😂

The 'themed on fitness' design looks seriously tacky and I also hate the colour scheme.

The big central screen is pretty much the only thing going for it for me.
 
bowfer said:
Chademo or CCS doesn’t matter to many who only charge at home.
Same with thermal management, does not matter to many.
As for battery degradation, there are loads of examples of high mileage Leafs with minimal degradation, they’re not hard to find.
Perhaps your neighbour is suffering because he only does 20-80% ( which I’ve always thought is a load of horlicks anyway )
As with any EV, the leaf needs 100% charges to balance the pack.
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Maybe should start a new thread with this ..but
I have a 2017 30kw first gen leaf as well as the ZS LR 2nd gen. I always charge the Leaf at home to 100% and it is still on full battery indicator....So
I wonder if on a fast charger (home) i should forget all the faff and just charge the ZS to 100% from 10%. I can understand the 80% on a rapid charger, but 100% on a fast charger hasnt knackered the Leaf, why would it knacker the ZS?
 
It's more leaving an NMC battery pack at 100% and then not using the car for a few days can cause issues; if you're going to be using the car (and discharging a reasonable %) then charging to 100% is fine.

LFP battery packs are recommended to be charged to 100% as often as possible - at least once a week.
 
davz said:
Whilst waiting for Mg to sort out all the problems before a order one I’ve now changed my mind completely due to new competition.

The BYD Atto 3 is now available from stratstone. The price looks very pricey for an unknown Chinese car but the advertised price has a £4K dealer contribution, so £34k against the trophy at £33.2k. The Atto has metallic paint, electric panoramic roof, HEAT PUMP and most importantly rear passenger lights😂
The spec makes the trophy seriously over priced, which I have always thought. The SE is the only mg to consider buying. I can see some serious discounts on the trophy.

To top it all the Atto is available for immediate delivery and a very competitive pcp.

I’m not sure if I should get the Atto or wait until the end of the year for the Fisker sport at £36k, I do know that the trophy is out of the running unless there is a serious price drop!

BYD Atto 3 Comfort Parkour Red

www.stratstone.com www.stratstone.com
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Is it just me or are those pictures from a cad screen 🤔
 

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