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chrisaustralia

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MG ZS EV
Bought mg zs long range last November,excellent car local journeys,charging at home easy,affordable.
Longer higher speed journeys 70mph,cooler weather the range is rubbish (most ev suffer with this),not fit for purpose for me(can’t even go to llanberis and back with heating on 70mph 170 miles)
Will wait until battery technology improves and then re look at it.
 
Bought mg zs long range last November,excellent car local journeys,charging at home easy,affordable.
Longer higher speed journeys 70mph,cooler weather the range is rubbish (most ev suffer with this),not fit for purpose for me(can’t even go to llanberis and back with heating on 70mph 170 miles)
Will wait until battery technology improves and then re look at it.
I'll be doing the same, got a MG5 Exclusive in Sept and my opinion they are only fit for shortish town journeys, anything that requires a motorway journey of a decent length is a nightmare, i had to go to Bodmin from Manchester for work and not only did it cost about £130-140 in charging cost it added about 4 hours to the journey with the stops for charging.

leave aside the poor fittings - no DAB, a screen that constantly blanks out, intermittent wipers that are basically guesswork on speed. if these cars were diesel or petrol nobody would nut them. i'll keep it for the summer to get a years worth of depreciation on the companies books and then back to diesel
 
When deciding to go full EV, then consideration much be matched carefully against the usage needs of the owner for them to work successfully for 99% of the time.
If I was conducting journey lengths that required me spending £130 - £140 on external charging fees, then I would never if considered one in the first place TBH.
The highly inflated costs of charging on the move on a regular basis, has cancelled out the cost savings over fossil fuel.
We cover about 10,000 miles a year in our ZS EV Gen2 and its range capacity suits us just fine !.
We never charge on the move and the cost savings over a fossil car has been very very rewarding.
If I wanted to take a really long trip a couple of times a year, then I am prepared to pay the extra cost of public charging.
So, am I limited - NO.
The other 50 weeks of the year is massively cheaper than using a fossil car.
This is because the car matches my usage case for at least 95% of the time.
If you are pounding the motorways on a regular basis, racking up thousands and thousands of miles, then an oil burner was a better option in the first place 🤔.
 
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I'll be doing the same, got a MG5 Exclusive in Sept and my opinion they are only fit for shortish town journeys, anything that requires a motorway journey of a decent length is a nightmare, i had to go to Bodmin from Manchester for work and not only did it cost about £130-140 in charging cost it added about 4 hours to the journey with the stops for charging.

leave aside the poor fittings - no DAB, a screen that constantly blanks out, intermittent wipers that are basically guesswork on speed. if these cars were diesel or petrol nobody would nut them. i'll keep it for the summer to get a years worth of depreciation on the companies books and then back to diesel
MG is not representative of all EVs. If you are going back to diesel on that basis then you have the wrong impression.

On the range aspect, there's all sorts of counter arguments and experiences that contradict yours, but hey, it's your choice, and your mind sounds made up.
 
Things will get there with energy density, but ultimately that's the root cause and so there's no denying we are puddle-jumping when it comes to endurance, which is mitigated for now with patience.

We revert to our diesel if we want go anywhere that's likely to need more than two stops.
 
Have you seen Bjorn use the NIO battery swapping station? 7 minutes and you're on your way with a new battery. I always thought that would be the way to go with EV's. With ICE vehicles, you buy litres of fuel, never to be seen again. With battery swap, you buy the electrons in a battery which will be used again and again.
 
Things will get there with energy density, but ultimately that's the root cause and so there's no denying we are puddle-jumping when it comes to endurance, which is mitigated for now with patience.

We revert to our diesel if we want go anywhere that's likely to need more than two stops.
It's already there for most people.

Trips where not stopping at all for 180 miles plus are edge cases for the majority.
 
Diesel powered vehicles are renowned for longevity and their willingness to munch though thousands of motorway miles on a yearly basis.
You never see a petrol engine in a lorry / bus / commercial vehicle, for this very reason.
Of course they are also renowned for not being that clean for the environment either.
But we are constantly seeing older EV’s that have covered over 100,000 miles+ when used as taxi’s etc etc.
So the reliability is still as good as a fossil car, but you have to do your research first and get the usage case right !.
Two cars running back to back over 12 months, covering the same average milage of 12,000 may appear to work the same for both user cases.
But first driver is an EV user covering a mixture of some short motorway routes, but mainly using a cross section of other types of roads and charges from home on a cheaper off peak tariff.
The second user is a diesel owner covering the same average milage, but using motorway routes for 80% of the time.
Which car are you likely to chose that is best suited to each of the “User” cases ??.
The EV will be happy enough to cover the motorway routes alright, but you have to factor in the expensive cost of public charging and more importantly, will the charger be working day after day 365.
Pick the car that is best suited to your user case, or you are going to be disappointed with your choice.
I guess it’s all too easy to blame the car, when in actual fact, it was not matched correctly to the user profile?.
Hands up time folks - How many people bought a diesel engine car and then expected to receive the high MPG advertised, over there petrol engine counter parts, then over covered about 6,000 - 8,000 miles a year on normal roads ( little motorway use ).
Of course nobody achieved them high MPG figures because it was used in the incorrect user case.
Put in on the motorway and bingo !.
Diesels are better suited and more economical when cruising at motorway speeds, town work not so good for economy or the DPF filter etc.
Horses for courses !.
 
I have a long range ZS mkII
Travel journeys around the South East, often round trips of 150 miles. Charge overnight at home.

Travel to East and North Yorkshire from time to time, 200+ miles there. Always stop for a cup of tea/coffee, put car on charge so still plenty of "juice in the tank" when I get to my destination.
Best thing I ever did.
 
I'll be doing the same, got a MG5 Exclusive in Sept and my opinion they are only fit for shortish town journeys, anything that requires a motorway journey of a decent length is a nightmare, i had to go to Bodmin from Manchester for work and not only did it cost about £130-140 in charging cost it added about 4 hours to the journey with the stops for charging.

leave aside the poor fittings - no DAB, a screen that constantly blanks out, intermittent wipers that are basically guesswork on speed. if these cars were diesel or petrol nobody would nut them. i'll keep it for the summer to get a years worth of depreciation on the companies books and then back to diesel
Good luck getting more than 50% of what you paid back. Buying a zs ev was worst financial decision I’ve made so far. Should have just bought a 3 series diesel estate like my gut was telling me to. Screw SAIC and their under developed, badly bolted together, rattle boxes.
 
Good luck getting more than 50% of what you paid back. Buying a zs ev was worst financial decision I’ve made so far. Should have just bought a 3 series diesel estate like my gut was telling me to. Screw SAIC and their under developed, badly bolted together, rattle boxes.
Ahem, I'll admit, I'm not a massive fan of mine, but have you seen the Autotrader prices? They aren't the bonanza of the last few years used prices, but they are holding up ok vs ICE cars.
 
I have driven 35k miles in a ZS Mk1 and 2 with no problems, including many 200-500 mile motorway journeys. This has cost me £1,215 in electric mostly charging at home on Octopus Go, but using instavolt when out. In my previous petrol car this would have cost £7,000 in fuel alone. I got a free 3yr servicing package on my Mk1, my petrol car cost me £500 a year to service. My road tax cost is Zero, my petrol was £145 per year. So a total saving of £7,700 over 3 years.
EVs don't suit everyone but they suit me.
 
I have driven 35k miles in a ZS Mk1 and 2 with no problems, including many 200-500 mile motorway journeys. This has cost me £1,215 in electric mostly charging at home on Octopus Go, but using instavolt when out. In my previous petrol car this would have cost £7,000 in fuel alone. I got a free 3yr servicing package on my Mk1, my petrol car cost me £500 a year to service. My road tax cost is Zero, my petrol was £145 per year. So a total saving of £7,700 over 3 years.
EVs don't suit everyone but they suit me.
EV’s don’t suit everybody 100% agree 👍.
But when the user case works, it really does work !.
Given the present cost of living and the high price of fossil fuel, we could not afford to travel the 10,000 miles per year that we like to do, if we only had use of a fossil fuel car.
After first owning the ZS EV Gen1 for more than two years and covering 20,000 miles and now another 10,000 miles in the Gen 2 we have no regrets of going full BEV back in 2019.
We had a PHEV before that for four years and although the running cost good, they do not match the pure EV.
Service costs on a PHEV get’s expensive as the car ages, because you are serving two masters !.
 
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