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Hi all, probably the last dip into the forum from me. I have driven a mk 1 MG ZS EV for just short of two years and have learnt a lot from this forum; and contributed a tiny bit. If you own a ZS or have one on order then keep looking at the forum as it is a gold mine of useful information from helpful folks. Check out the fortnightly Podcast on youtube as well.
I thought my MG was a great car, my first EV. I ordered a LR last November but got fed up of being messed around and the poor communication so I gave up and have bought elsewhere. I know all manufacturers are facing challenges but MG seem to have mishandled it all very badly. It looks like some of the mk 2 SR cars are now arriving and, at last, hopefully some of the LR ones as well. If yours is still on order I hope it arrives soon and you like it. Good luck folks
 
Cheers, Nev - hope your new choice works out well. If you don't mind, I'm curious as to what it is - as it is possible I might have to join you.
 
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Cheers, Nev - hope your new choice works out well. If you don't mind, I'm curious as to what it is - as it is possible I might have to join you.
Hi Harry, sure. I don’t think there is not much point in looking for an exact cost/spec match as MG’s are exceptional value. However, as my new MG had still not been built after 5 months, and with me making all the running on communication, I got fed up. I looked for something that was “near by" price wise with an acceptable spec and, most importantly, a car that I could actually get hold of. I took a Citroen e c4 out for a test and ordered a new one on 11 April, picked it up last week on 20 May. The mid spec shine. No fuss, no bother, regular updates from dealer, and the car is now on the drive. Everyone is different but for me I just wanted a little more range than my mk1 so was happy to settle for less range than the mk2 LR would have given me-the specs was OK for me as well. Yes it costs more but not a silly amount more and they key bit, it exists.
 
Hope you enjoy the new motor.
I would be interested in your personal view on how eC4 compares to eZS1. In terms of;
body roll,
comfort,
Acceleration,
Rapid Charging speed & time
distance
rear space
boot capacity
etc
 
Hope you enjoy the new motor.
I would be interested in your personal view on how eC4 compares to eZS1. In terms of;
body roll,
comfort,
Acceleration,
Rapid Charging speed & time
distance
rear space
boot capacity
etc
Of course, I’ll try. The rambling below is inevitably very subjective. I don’t have much empirical evidence and can’t directly compare the two side by side. The best thing with any vehicle is to take one for a test drive to see if it is right for you. I must stress I was very happy with my MG and would have bought a MK2 if they would actually make the one I had ordered.

Body roll. I don’t throw the car about the road and let’s face it neither are built for sporty driving. Not that much difference really but a more vigorous driving style combined with miles of twisty roads might throw up a more marked difference. The MG suspension is certainly firmer, the Citroen cocoons you more but I haven’t found the drive wallowy.
Comfort, The Citroen is very comfortable indeed. From my mk2 MG test I think the new MG seats are an improvement on the Mk1 version but I still think the Citroen is better. The climate control etc is also better on the Citroen. It is a very comfortable car.
Acceleration, On paper the MG is faster by a couple of secs. In practice I can’t see a massive difference, very similar really. However, the modes seem to matter much more in the Citroen, in eco it is noticeably less responsive. Flooring it in eco is definitely much much slower off the mark than the MG was in eco.
Rapid Charging speed & time. I can’t answer this yet as not used a 100kw+ charger which is where there should be a difference. On a 50kw I think the Citroen is a little faster but can’t see why this would be the case so maybe imagining it.
Distance. There are sooo many variables here. For what it’s worth I recon an average real world around 170+. More than my old mk1, prob around the same as the mk2 SR and less than the MK2 LR. You can add or subtract from that depending on driving style, weather, topography, what you had for breakfast, the phase of the moon etc etc. The Citroen’s battery is only a tiny bit bigger than the Mk1 but it certainly uses it’s power more efficiently, my 3.6 journey's are 4.3.
Rear space. The MG is the roomier car and this is more marked with rear head room. The Citroen roof slopes down more. I am not tall, and don’t ride in the rear. However, sitting in it is not a problem for me at 5’9”. It might be more so if you were 6’2”; leg room is very good though. I notice the difference when getting in and out more than driving, The Citroen is more car like and the MG more SUV like.
Boot capacity The MG wins here. The boot is bigger on paper 440 vs 380 and yes that’s noticeable. Also what the bare figs don’t tell you is the bins either side of the boot are bigger and more practical on the MG as is the roomier underfloor bit for the cables etc. I rarely maxed out the MG boot and I think the Citroen will be fine, it’s still a very decent size. However, if you regularly lug big loads the MG might be better.
Misc. It may be familiarity but I like the MG dial for reverse etc more than the Citroen’s switch. I also like the MG having the charge port at the front better than at the side. The Citroen’s is easier to open, though the Mk2 has improved the opening on the MG. I like the Citroen’s rear camera and smaller A pillars. Not driven at night yet.
Good luck with whatever you do.
 
Of course, I’ll try. The rambling below is inevitably very subjective. I don’t have much empirical evidence and can’t directly compare the two side by side. The best thing with any vehicle is to take one for a test drive to see if it is right for you. I must stress I was very happy with my MG and would have bought a MK2 if they would actually make the one I had ordered.

Body roll. I don’t throw the car about the road and let’s face it neither are built for sporty driving. Not that much difference really but a more vigorous driving style combined with miles of twisty roads might throw up a more marked difference. The MG suspension is certainly firmer, the Citroen cocoons you more but I haven’t found the drive wallowy.
Comfort, The Citroen is very comfortable indeed. From my mk2 MG test I think the new MG seats are an improvement on the Mk1 version but I still think the Citroen is better. The climate control etc is also better on the Citroen. It is a very comfortable car.
Acceleration, On paper the MG is faster by a couple of secs. In practice I can’t see a massive difference, very similar really. However, the modes seem to matter much more in the Citroen, in eco it is noticeably less responsive. Flooring it in eco is definitely much much slower off the mark than the MG was in eco.
Rapid Charging speed & time. I can’t answer this yet as not used a 100kw+ charger which is where there should be a difference. On a 50kw I think the Citroen is a little faster but can’t see why this would be the case so maybe imagining it.
Distance. There are sooo many variables here. For what it’s worth I recon an average real world around 170+. More than my old mk1, prob around the same as the mk2 SR and less than the MK2 LR. You can add or subtract from that depending on driving style, weather, topography, what you had for breakfast, the phase of the moon etc etc. The Citroen’s battery is only a tiny bit bigger than the Mk1 but it certainly uses it’s power more efficiently, my 3.6 journey's are 4.3.
Rear space. The MG is the roomier car and this is more marked with rear head room. The Citroen roof slopes down more. I am not tall, and don’t ride in the rear. However, sitting in it is not a problem for me at 5’9”. It might be more so if you were 6’2”; leg room is very good though. I notice the difference when getting in and out more than driving, The Citroen is more car like and the MG more SUV like.
Boot capacity The MG wins here. The boot is bigger on paper 440 vs 380 and yes that’s noticeable. Also what the bare figs don’t tell you is the bins either side of the boot are bigger and more practical on the MG as is the roomier underfloor bit for the cables etc. I rarely maxed out the MG boot and I think the Citroen will be fine, it’s still a very decent size. However, if you regularly lug big loads the MG might be better.
Misc. It may be familiarity but I like the MG dial for reverse etc more than the Citroen’s switch. I also like the MG having the charge port at the front better than at the side. The Citroen’s is easier to open, though the Mk2 has improved the opening on the MG. I like the Citroen’s rear camera and smaller A pillars. Not driven at night yet.
Good luck with whatever you do.
Feedback much appreciated.
 
Thank you for taking the time to put together this comparison test 👍.
It was a very interesting read.
The improved efficiency over the ZS EV is to be expected, due to body shape for one I guess.
SUV’s (ish) shapes never do as well, as more hatchback / saloon models in this respect, I tend to find.
SUV’s / Crossovers can be an advantage for “Sight Seeing” and driving visibility and also getting in and out, if you have mobility issues.
But this type of body styling has a price to pay with regards to the overhaul efficiency and return on your range.
I wish you well and pop back in and give us an update, when you have covered a few more miles please ???.
Remember, there is no such thing as a bad EV, some are just better than others !.
Enjoy 😉.
 
Of course, I’ll try. The rambling below is inevitably very subjective. I don’t have much empirical evidence and can’t directly compare the two side by side. The best thing with any vehicle is to take one for a test drive to see if it is right for you. I must stress I was very happy with my MG and would have bought a MK2 if they would actually make the one I had ordered.

Body roll. I don’t throw the car about the road and let’s face it neither are built for sporty driving. Not that much difference really but a more vigorous driving style combined with miles of twisty roads might throw up a more marked difference. The MG suspension is certainly firmer, the Citroen cocoons you more but I haven’t found the drive wallowy.
Comfort, The Citroen is very comfortable indeed. From my mk2 MG test I think the new MG seats are an improvement on the Mk1 version but I still think the Citroen is better. The climate control etc is also better on the Citroen. It is a very comfortable car.
Acceleration, On paper the MG is faster by a couple of secs. In practice I can’t see a massive difference, very similar really. However, the modes seem to matter much more in the Citroen, in eco it is noticeably less responsive. Flooring it in eco is definitely much much slower off the mark than the MG was in eco.
Rapid Charging speed & time. I can’t answer this yet as not used a 100kw+ charger which is where there should be a difference. On a 50kw I think the Citroen is a little faster but can’t see why this would be the case so maybe imagining it.
Distance. There are sooo many variables here. For what it’s worth I recon an average real world around 170+. More than my old mk1, prob around the same as the mk2 SR and less than the MK2 LR. You can add or subtract from that depending on driving style, weather, topography, what you had for breakfast, the phase of the moon etc etc. The Citroen’s battery is only a tiny bit bigger than the Mk1 but it certainly uses it’s power more efficiently, my 3.6 journey's are 4.3.
Rear space. The MG is the roomier car and this is more marked with rear head room. The Citroen roof slopes down more. I am not tall, and don’t ride in the rear. However, sitting in it is not a problem for me at 5’9”. It might be more so if you were 6’2”; leg room is very good though. I notice the difference when getting in and out more than driving, The Citroen is more car like and the MG more SUV like.
Boot capacity The MG wins here. The boot is bigger on paper 440 vs 380 and yes that’s noticeable. Also what the bare figs don’t tell you is the bins either side of the boot are bigger and more practical on the MG as is the roomier underfloor bit for the cables etc. I rarely maxed out the MG boot and I think the Citroen will be fine, it’s still a very decent size. However, if you regularly lug big loads the MG might be better.
Misc. It may be familiarity but I like the MG dial for reverse etc more than the Citroen’s switch. I also like the MG having the charge port at the front better than at the side. The Citroen’s is easier to open, though the Mk2 has improved the opening on the MG. I like the Citroen’s rear camera and smaller A pillars. Not driven at night yet.
Good luck with whatever you do.
Interesting to see the m/kWh figures.
When considering what to replace my Gen 1 with next year and seeing how electricity prices are shooting up, I'm considering efficiency as one of the things I now look at when browsing various cars.
 
I need to bid a fond farewell to the forum too.
We had a re-think mainly due to my wife's ongoing concerns about the driving position (specifically that her left knee was squashed up against the dash and bashing against the driving column adjuster).
So we went with a second-hand Tesla model 3 instead. I'm a little sad as I loved the MG and it was better suited to some of our needs (chiefly carrying canoeing stuff), but the Tesla is fun too, and as we have heavy needs for long trips in France, the charging network is still better.
Interestingly, many Tesla users' concerns are actually exactly the same as on this forum
  • long and unpredictable delivery times (they scan shipping maps there too) and dependency on China's failed COVID policies
  • the lack of easily-usable speed limiter, which is worse on the Tesla - there isn't one, and the cruise control can only be used in assisted mode and is too unpredictable to safely use on residential roads (we don't have the self-driving, and from using the slightly flaky assisted cruise control, am glad not to have it).
  • the parking cameras aren't as good as the brilliantly simple ones on the Nissan Leaf.
  • the scanning traffic signs for speed limits, which is also quite flaky, and it tends to pick up on 20 signs from side roads, which means that you end up just switching off the chimes
  • it doesn't allow you to use android car on the main screen, which is a bit annoying.
The forum isn't anything like as good either - I signed up for a user's club, which after putting me through the usual overbearing password rules then just pointed me at their Facebook page, which tends to just be full of moaning about non-Teslas using Tesla chargers. Oh well.
Good luck - may be back one day...
 
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