Mustn't Grumble 😊

Well, I've gazed at a Mach E but it was a bit like our visit to the Pyramids a few years ago when It was very anticlimactic having seen it in so many videos etc I wondered why we had bothered. Bit like that today.
Hopefully if I ever to close to a 5 the experience might be more satisfying.

I have to sympathise with others for the experiences they've had with various cars, I've been very lucky so far with various makes including Skoda, Kia and Rover but I'd draw a line above the Peugeot 507 (?) MPV, which was very useful but dreadful.
 
.........If I like the drive and can afford it I will buy it.

Would love to drive a Tesla to understand the hype...but I can't afford it and I personally think the look is getting a bit dated......


Much the same here, I've always loved 'gadgets' and the newer tech on many of these cars appeals to me but whether or not I can afford it I still need to convince myself that it's worth the money.

Believe it or not the 'Mach E specialist' at the dealer stood there with a straight face and told me that the £51,000+ extended range I was looking at was a loss leader for Ford and when I got back into my 6 year old Outlander it felt just as good as their loss leader (fortunately nothing on mine is flapping, falling off or rattling, yet, and it still looks as good as new when it's clean).
For the Mach E Ford has also adopted the Tesla sales model in that sales are solely via their online system, including part exchange value calculations which predict your car's value at that time in the future when the system thinks they will be able to deliver your order. Doesn't appeal to me at all.

Talking of Tesla, the cars are expensive but seem to be very efficient. Agree the looks will date quickly and I just don't like the idea that there isn't a single instrument or switch, everything including speed and range on that big led screen in the middle.
 
Well the biggest selling point of the Tesla is the charging network. The Ford Mach E is on recall to glue the panoramic glass in properly amongst other things.
I’m pleased with my ZS EV but do have dealer anxiety - where best to have it serviced?
In the past having had Escort, Mondeo; Fiesta, Galaxy 3 X , I never had a good competent Ford dealer service ever!
Anyway good luck with whatever.
 
Each to their own, good luck with whatever you purchase although no car is perfect.

Personally I'm really boring. We have a ZSEV and have not had any problems. Is it perfect, well a 1000 mile range would be good but in reality my wife gets two days commute out of every recharge so its saving us money each week. Its not the best car on the market but certainly isn't junk.

Probably best to keep the Outlander. You clearly like it and it evidently isn't junk so no need to change it.
 
I have a friend who having waited months to collect a Mustang E found on the day of collection his new pride & joy flagged up a charger fault before he could drive it off the forecourt. 3 months later he still hasn't got his car yet !
 
By writing this, I am doing exactly the thing that I am suggesting others don't.

Someone has stated their (perfectly valid) opinion - written in an inflammatory way to provoke comment and reaction - and here we are, defending a brand that really doesn't need defended 🤷‍♂️

Stop commenting and let this thread die - it's serving no purpose.
Could not agree more Biffo I have had many cars like others, over the years and thoroughly enjoying my company car MG ownership so far. I will not even start to comment on my experiences with Ford dealerships over the years! Plus MG are sitting quite comfortably in the reliability stakes, so far on the Which review compared some other well known marques!
 
Realistically SAIC have come from a position of having lots of EV experience in China, but none for a more demanding Western and European market. The experiences with the ZS have given them a few lessons, which they have reacted to, but still much to do with things like customer services and the dealer network.
As Zoomy said "The experiences with the ZS have given them a few lessons, which they have reacted to" When you look at the Facelift ZS new features and changes and look at the comments made the past two years on this and other forums you'll notice that SAIC has listened to their customers and owners as they did with the comfort 2 update in the first year in the Western European EV market. How many of their owners' wishlist have they delivered in this facelift? I reckon pretty much all of them How many volume producers of EV's would do that so quickly?

And actually, SAIC being a volume producer of EV's is significant @JimB MG puts more EV's on the road each month than many other manufacturers with one or two exceptions and has been for the past 2-years+ so with more EVs currently on the road there will be more comments by owners because there are more owners and because we know that MG Motors feeds the comments back to SAIC (based on the Comfort 2 update for example) then owners are encouraged to express their observations, feelings and frustrations in the forum. Just try that with Ford or VW Group!

I know the dealership network is patchy and so I chose to place my ZS order with a small dealer rather than a larger multi-franchise dealer which was half the distance from my home because I'd had the experience of buying and servicing cars from two other marques and had big issues with them so it's not MG that's the issue it is certain dealers no matter what car brand they supply and service.
 
Yes @JimB was trying to elicit a response but I don’t think it’s very clever to call the MG junk he doesn’t own one and hasn’t even been for a test drive in one so how is he qualified to make that statement???? Should be kicked off this forum if you ask me
The foundation of my question was based solely on my reading of these forums which contain a fairly consistent litany of issues.

At least my provocation has illicited many alternative positive comments about the cars which is great.

It's been illuminating in many ways, and for that, again, many thanks.
 
I have a friend who having waited months to collect a Mustang E found on the day of collection his new pride & joy flagged up a charger fault before he could drive it off the forecourt. 3 months later he still hasn't got his car yet !
It's off my shortlist now after the dealer experience.
 
Funny,in a recent reliability survey mg zs ev was the the second most reliable ev after the leaf.
Thanks, found the What Car survey which is very complimentary although somewhat confusingly in their intro, on the page I found, they seemed to be simultaneously panning MG...but I suspect that may have been for earlier year cars and maybe even the ic version.
 
The initial What Car survey - was it in the early days of 2020 - was skewed due to a wee campaign on social media to get a number of responses.
 
Unfortunately, after only a couple of weeks participating in this forum I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that from a quality point of view these cars are junk.

It's interesting how the opinions of owners, or in some cases a single owner, on forums can influence purchases way more than opinions of dealers. I've seen it over on AVForums a fair amount and it’s because forum users are considered to be independent and unbiased.

Some things to consider.
It’s certainly true that potential owners will (hopefully) have done some research prior to their purchase, so they have that experience to share.
And owners can talk about their purchasing experiences, their specific dealers and ownership. And probably about installation of a home charger.

But bear in mind that people are often silent about buyer’s remorse because they don’t like to admit to having spent money on something that ultimately doesn’t fit their needs. Or they simply don’t like.
And people feel positive reinforcement of their purchase decision when other people also purchase, so they may be inclined to encourage others to follow suit.
So I think there is usually some element of bias in a person’s opinion.

Some people speak up vociferously if they are unhappy. Unhappy customers generally post more on social media than happy ones. And louder.

Mix in with that the fact that forums like this are seen as a valuable support resource for people with questions and problems, and if you focus on the threads discussing problems, it’s possible to form an impression that people are generally unhappy with MG cars.

However, asking directly whether they are happy will likely produce a very positive response. Feel free to post a poll.
The foundation of my question was based solely on my reading of these forums which contain a fairly consistent litany of issues.

This forum would be a pretty repetitive and boring if it only contained positive comments. It also wouldn’t sustain credibility as an independent source of information without the negative comments.

I think the feedback here about the ZS may well have cumulatively influenced MG’s decisions when planning the refreshed ZS and that is obviously a very good thing.

I do think that it’s mistaken to draw a final conclusion about MG cars without actually test driving them. You should, at the very least, directly ask people for their overall feedback.

I’ve had a few issues with my Hyundai Ioniq (noise from the seatbelt tensioner area, spongy brakes and a faulty reducer replaced under warranty) but overall, I highly rate the car and would not change my purchase decision.
@Dave S had a (now fixed) nightmare with limited range following the BMS issue on his ZS, yet he remains an advocate to the extent that he is a regular on our podcast.

Lastly I think it’s unwise to throw out terms like ‘junk’ in a forum of owners as it’s obviously inflammatory.
 
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The one main reason I wouldn't take the dealers opinion is there is very little incentive for honesty. It's a cliche for a reason. Sure there will be some exceptions, but warts and all stories about your product aren't going to make you salesperson of the month.
 
It's interesting how the opinions of owners, or in some cases a single owner, on forums can influence purchases way more than opinions of dealers. I've seen it over on AVForums a fair amount and it’s because forum users are considered to be independent and unbiased.

Some things to consider.
It’s certainly true that potential owners will (hopefully) have done some research prior to their purchase, so they have that experience to share.
And owners can talk about their purchasing experiences, their specific dealers and ownership. And probably about installation of a home charger.

But bear in mind that people are often silent about buyer’s remorse because they don’t like to admit to having spent money on something that ultimately doesn’t fit their needs. Or they simply don’t like.
And people feel positive reinforcement of their purchase decision when other people also purchase, so they may be inclined to encourage others to follow suit.
So I think there is usually some element of bias in a person’s opinion.

Some people speak up vociferously if they are unhappy. Unhappy customers generally post more on social media than happy ones. And louder.

Mix in with that the fact that forums like this are seen as a valuable support resource for people with questions and problems, and if you focus on the threads discussing problems, it’s possible to form an impression that people are generally unhappy with MG cars.

However, asking directly whether they are happy will likely produce a very positive response. Feel free to post a poll.


This forum would be a pretty repetitive and boring if it only contained positive comments. It also wouldn’t sustain credibility as an independent source of information without the negative comments.

I think the feedback here about the ZS may well have cumulatively influenced MG’s decisions when planning the refreshed ZS and that is obviously a very good thing.

I do think that it’s mistaken to draw a final conclusion about MG cars without actually test driving them. You should, at the very least, directly ask people for their overall feedback.

I’ve had a few issues with my Hyundai Ioniq (noise from the seatbelt tensioner area, spongy brakes and a faulty reducer replaced under warranty) but overall, I highly rate the car and would not change my purchase decision.
@Dave S had a (now fixed) nightmare with limited range following the BMS issue on his ZS, yet he remains an advocate to the extent that he is a regular on our podcast.

Lastly I think it’s unwise to throw out terms like ‘junk’ in a forum of owners as it’s obviously inflammatory.
I couldn't agree more Stuart.

If it wasn't for the amount of effort people have put in responding I'd suggest deleting the entire thread.
 
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