Tax Code for Pensioners.

[tsedge]

I do agree on benefits. I think Child Benefit should only apply to people with a job (or who had one recently). If you can't even support yourself, you shouldn't be bringing children into this world. And if you have never worked and can't support your kids properly, they should be taken away from you. There is a long waiting list to adopt/foster.

Might sound very harsh but 100% of the people I know with young families who are working are absolutely incandescent about raising the 2 child limit. Few of them believe the children will benefit from the money in any case, they think the parents will largely spend it on themselves.

 

[5teep]

I do agree on benefits. I think Child Benefit should only apply to people with a job (or who had one recently). If you can't even support yourself, you shouldn't be bringing children into this world. And if you have never worked and can't support your kids properly, they should be taken away from you. There is a long waiting list to adopt/foster.

Might sound very harsh but 100% of the people I know with young families who are working are absolutely incandescent about raising the 2 child limit. Few of them believe the children will benefit from the money in any case, they think the parents will largely spend it on themselves.

It's quite telling that your friends think that parents on benefits are automatically bad parents. Never having been a parent myself I might have a different view.

 

[tsedge]

It's quite telling that your friends think that parents on benefits are automatically bad parents. Never having been a parent myself I might have a different view.

It isn't a judgement about whether they are good parents or not.

It's about incentives and a simple principle: support yourself first before you bring a new person into this world.

Many working people can't afford to have any more kids because their income won't stretch to it. So why should the unemployed get a better deal? What's the justification? They are furious about it and are asking themselves: why should they work hard when others get so much for free?

If it is about benefiting the kids, then reach them directly, e.g.:

• 3 meals a day provided by schools (and supervised).
• Provide clothing and toys etc... in a similarly supervised way.

 

[JohnV6]

Fully agree. We have four now well over 30. I wouldn't have had them if I didn't think working 80 hrs a week meant I couldn't afford them. 2 parents & no dole.

But I see my kids struggle & my son has just got a son. He and his wife are teachers in public schools. They can't afford child care.

It seems to me the government is letting businesses pay less & then taxing us more to fund those on benefits.

If you work it must be disheartening to see those who opt not to getting more.

I'd like & support a society who catch those on hard times but come on right now it pays not to work

 

[LenEV2016]

I don't support Farage or reform in anyway, however I saw him give a speech saying he feels for people that get up every morning with their alarm go out to work all day, come home and get a short time with there kids before everyone goes off to bed and repeats the next day.

He said it should never be the case that someone who does that should have less than someone who sits on their arse all day doing hee haw

Only time I've ever agreed with him

 

[AJWizz]

By 2027, the UK State Pension will exceed the £12570 Income Tax threshold, meaning UK Pensioners will have to pay tax on their pension. However, there is an ongoing petition to try to get this changed by doubling the personal allowance for pensioners.

So if, like me, you don't think UK Pensioners should be taxed on their pension, please sign this petition >> State Pension Petition. <<

Thanks.

Petition signed

 

[5teep]

It isn't a judgement about whether they are good parents or not.

It's about incentives and a simple principle: support yourself first before you bring a new person into this world.

Many working people can't afford to have any more kids because their income won't stretch to it. So why should the unemployed get a better deal? What's the justification? They are furious about it and are asking themselves: why should they work hard when others get so much for free?

If it is about benefiting the kids, then reach them directly, e.g.:

• 3 meals a day provided by schools (and supervised).
• Provide clothing and toys etc... in a similarly supervised way.

I get that and I agree, where you have the chance you should plan to have the children you can afford to look after.
It was just the idea that they (your friends) automatically assume that lifting the 2 child cap means parents on benefits would be nipping straight up to the bedroom to get started.
As an aside the 2 child cap has never been enforced here in Scotland, or at least ScotGov mitigated it for parents with more than 2. We've not been inundated with newborns

 

[tsedge]

I get that and I agree, where you have the chance you should plan to have the children you can afford to look after.
It was just the idea that they (your friends) automatically assume that lifting the 2 child cap means parents on benefits would be nipping straight up to the bedroom to get started.
As an aside the 2 child cap has never been enforced here in Scotland, or at least ScotGov mitigated it for parents with more than 2. We've not been inundated with newborns

That's fair. There's a lot of fear that people are on the take because the benefits bill is rising rapidly, but you are right: that isn't evidence of mass breeding.

It is similar to the fears about immigrants disproportionately benefiting: actually the majority of benefits go to natives and the immigrant bill isn't significantly higher per capita (well it varies but the very different demographics of immigrants means it depends which benefit you are talking about; eg the vast majority of pensioners are white British). So it is not trivial to compare them.

Anyway, yes, I concede they are jumping to conclusions on that point.

 

[MG Clive]

Petition signed

Thanks @AJWizz, welcome to MGEVs.

 

[Gadget Geek]

I've had a nice Christmas present from HMRC. Apparently I paid too much tax on my NHS pension this year.