Advice on Wall Charger Wanted

[4ND]

It is 61kWh usable battery on the MG4, so slightly cheaper than you state.

As you say, they are different classes of vehicle, so this is apples and oranges. A motorbike with sidecar would be far cheaper for us to run, but we are in the market for a family car.

It baffles me sometimes why it is all about cost when people are forking out £30k+ for a brand new car. Saving the pennies is best done by running old cars into the ground.

Well, it says 64KWh in MG's own literature, so I used that figure, just as I used the 65mpg Yaris figure, despite legions of users and reviews saying higher.

Agreed different classes of vehicles, but both you and I are not the only people on planet Earth. Apples and oranges, but Bob is the buyer and is deciding which one to buy. He might like an apple and he might like an orange, but he might decide that the taste of rising electric car ownership is now getting a little granny (charger) smith-like in its bitterness.

That is true about saving pennies after spending ~ £30K.
But countering this ~ 90% of new/nearly new buyers buy on finance, so won't be forking out £30+; they'll be getting a finance company to buy it and then they'll pay a monthly amount for 3 or so years.

 

[Gomev]

It is 61kWh usable battery on the MG4, so slightly cheaper than you state.

As you say, they are different classes of vehicle, so this is apples and oranges. A motorbike with sidecar would be far cheaper for us to run, but we are in the market for a family car.

It baffles me sometimes why it is all about cost when people are forking out £30k+ for a brand new car. Saving the pennies is best done by running old cars into the ground.

Agreed, pretty silly isn't it.
I don't know the answer but does a Yaris get 65mpg pootling around town or is it on mixed driving and longer journeys? We all know EVs are at their best around town and will usually get more than the WLTP figures. EV database rates true figures of 330 miles for the Trophy around town.

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[4ND]

Agreed, pretty silly isn't it.
I don't know the answer but does a Yaris get 65mpg pootling around town or is it on mixed driving and longer journeys? We all know EVs are at their best around town and will usually get more than the WLTP figures.

Watch some Yaris 'pootling about town' youtube videos and see NINETY odd miles per gallon, and one north of 100! Here's one:
Also, go on the Yaris forum and see some 'pootling around town' info photos, and often see north of 80.
On runs, Yaris' typically seem to be getting mid 60s on longer journeys.
I mentioned before I sat in one a few weeks ago and the guy said he's a care worker. He showed me his mpg figures (ooh er) and they were jaw dropping. Some must have been 'runs' too as he was saying how he done a solid (Wales- Plymouth I think) run and said how I wouldn't like what he did (after asking about driver feel and interaction), as on that run he used the 'safety tech' and the car literally drove itself. Whatever that meant.

 

[tsedge]

Nice. Of course the effective mpg of an EV on an off-peak tariff is several hundred mpg, given current pump prices.

 

[remarkable1967]

As a long time diesel user, it is something I am used too and obviously know the day to day costs. I had looked at EVs before but could never justify £35k plus for something i "needed" rather than wanted in a car. I could never own a Zoe or Yaris as it would simply be too small. I gigged as a singer for 20+ years before the pandemic so always needed load space. I went from an older Renault Grand Scenic to the Sportage as gear became digital (lighter/smaller). I sing very rarely now and only as a duo so we use my friends van. The best thing with the Sportage is that road tax is only £30 as it's an early 2016. Now I know that if I purchased a newer diesel of the same kinda size, tax is going to be £150 plus. The beauty of the MG4 is that the size still gives me something that would be practical (need) but after driving one, it's also something that for once in along time I actually want as well. It's quite clear that anyone moving to a modern EV after driving an average performance ICE car is going to be pleasantly surprised by the way the power is delivered. I neither need nor want something like a Tesla and honestly, I can't see how any former ICE driver would need more performance than the MG4. When I was younger, I'm 55 now, I always said that if someone could give me a car did no more than 100 mph but get there swiftly I'd buy one. Well with EVs like the MG4, this is what I'd have. I don't need acceleration that will make passengers swallow thier tongues, I just need a sub £30k practical, fun car so hopefully the MG4 will be ideal.

 

[4ND]

It's quite clear that anyone moving to a modern EV after driving an average performance ICE car is going to be pleasantly surprised by the way the power is delivered.

Why is it 'quite clear' that 'anyone' going from an average perf petrol car, to an electric car, is going to be pleasantly surprised? It's a totally different powertrain. Some might like it. Others won't. Some might like the fairground ride feeling, others might like punching through the gears and the ICE delivery.

 

[remarkable1967]

Why is it 'quite clear' that 'anyone' going from an average perf petrol car, to an electric car, is going to be pleasantly surprised? It's a totally different powertrain. Some might like it. Others won't. Some might like the fairground ride feeling, others might like punching through the gears and the ICE delivery.

I think I'm coming from the perspective that since the test drive, every man and his dog has asked me "was it as quick as a Tesla" which I get kinda bored of. It's more about what I'm coming from in the Sportage. I had mine remapped from 114bhp to 150bhp which was great but acceleration was still up around 10 seconds to 60mph. When I drive the MG4, the zip off the line just made me smile. I know I wouldn't drive like that all the time and yes you'd soon get used to it but it was still impressive.

 

[tsedge]

Why is it 'quite clear' that 'anyone' going from an average perf petrol car, to an electric car, is going to be pleasantly surprised? It's a totally different powertrain. Some might like it. Others won't. Some might like the fairground ride feeling, others might like punching through the gears and the ICE delivery.

Quite true. In general though, nostalgic as changing gears and hearing the revs rise is, just as cleaning the points and using the hand crank was, the seamless power delivery of an electric motor is preferred by most people who have actually experienced it.

It sounds like you should buy the Yaris and it would be the right car for you. It is great to have Yaris supporters coming over here to check out MGs, but at the end of day, the focus here is MGs.

 

[4ND]

Nice. Of course the effective mpg of an EV on an off-peak tariff is several hundred mpg, given current pump prices.

But there we are talking off peak tariffs and favourable deals. Those are disappearing fast, or at best, not as advantageous. Once people's current 'deals' are up, there may be a rude awakening at prices. Someone signing up today to an 'EV tariff' compared to one signing up 2 years ago, for eg.
I may be wrong, but I think 'go' now has, for new sign ups, 12p/KWH for just 4 hours, when those 250 MG4 trophy miles take about 7 hours. And of course for the remaining 20 hours, one will be paying ~ 24% more than the basic standard tariff for the rest of the day, so unless Peter spends all of his life like Dracula from 12:30am to 04:30 am, he's going to find saving on his non-fully charged car is negated somewhat by his washing machine/toaster/kettle/vacumm/TV costs, which he used in non-Dracula times.

 

[tsedge]

But there we are talking off peak tariffs and favourable deals. Those are disappearing fast, or at best, not as advantageous. Once people's current 'deals' are up, there may be a rude awakening at prices. Someone signing u today to an 'EV tariff' compared to one signing up 2 years ago, for eg.
i may be wrong, but I think 'go' now do, for new sign ups, 12p/KWH for just 4 hours, when those 250 MG4 trophy miles take about 7 hours. And of course for the remaining 20 hours, one will be paying ~ 24% more than the basic standard tariff for the rest of the day, so unless Peter spends all of his life like Dracula form 12:30am to 04:30 am, he's going to find saving on his non-fully charged car is negated somewhat by his washing machine/toaster/kettle'vacumm/TV costs, which he used in non-Dracula times.

And we might run out of petrol or diesel.
And there might be a nuclear war.
And we might ban all Chinese products.

Lots of things might happen. Choices today should be based on conditions today, not a crystal ball.

And you are wrong about off peak, few people do enough miles a day for the 4 hour peak period to be insufficient to charge back up. Regular commutes dovetail nicely with a top up each night. And a long trip at the weekend is caught up in a couple of nights.

 

[4ND]

Quite true. In general though, nostalgic as changing gears and hearing the revs rise is, just as cleaning the points and using the hand crank was, the seamless power delivery of an electric motor is preferred by most people who have actually experienced it.

It sounds like you should buy the Yaris and it would be the right car for you. It is great to have Yaris supporters coming over here to check out MGs, but at the end of day, the focus here is MGs.

1) Not sure how 'nostalgic' it is when ~ 70% of the UK's ~ 37 million cars are manual ICE cars with the revs rising. If that's 'nostalgia', good luck on the antiques roadshow with that.

2) 'Preferred by most people' sounds like a personal guess, not factual evidence

3) The Yaris might not be the right car for me. Like many car buyers, I am considering options. And regarding the remark 'Yaris supporters coming over here to check out MGs, but at the end of day, the focus here is MGs.' a) I am not a 'Yaris supporter', given I haven't got one, neither have I joined a forum, but am merely pointing out its advantages and b) you could say I am more an MG supporter, given I joined a forum on it

 

[tsedge]

1) Not sure how 'nostalgic' it is when ~ 70% of the UK's ~ 37 million cars are manual ICE car withh the revs rising. If that's 'nostalgia', good luck on the antiques roadshow with that.

2) 'Preferred by most people' sounds like a personal guess, not factual evidence

3) The Yaris might not be the right car for me. Like many car buyers, I am considering options. And regarding the remark 'Yaris supporters coming over here to check out MGs, but at the end of day, the focus here is MGs.' a) I am not a 'Yaris supporter', given I haven't got one, neither have I joined a forum, but am merely pointing out its advantages and b) you could say I am more an MG supporter, given I joined a forum on it

Baffled why you are here to be honest, since you seem to constantly denigrate EVs and wax lyrical about ICE vehicles.

Good luck with it all.

 

[remarkable1967]

Apologies for apparently starting a row guys. I was just making an observation as along time manual ICE driver that the performance and power delivery were kinda fun in the MG4.

 

[4ND]

Baffled why you are here to be honest, since you seem to constantly denigrate EVs and wax lyrical about ICE vehicles.

Good luck with it all.

Which maybe sounds like you feel you have lost an honest and open debate and now decide to use heightened, emotive language.
'Denigrating' EVs, when I am considering buying one Wax lyrical about ICE cars, as like maybe 25 million people, I like them.

 

[tsedge]

Which maybe sounds like you feel you have lost an honest and open debate and now decide to use heightened, emotive language.
'Denigrating' EVs, when I am considering buying one Wax lyrical about ICE cars, as like maybe 25 million people, I like them.

Nothing emotive in the above, you call them “transportation pods”, which is denigrating. Again, you are literally waxing lyrical about the Yaris.

I am genuinely baffled, unless it is your goal to keep arguing until you “win”?

Anyway, meant what I said, I DO wish you well, but I am engaging no further.

 

[4ND]

Nothing emotive in the above, you call them “transportation pods”, which is denigrating. Again, you are literally waxing lyrical about the Yaris.

I am genuinely baffled, unless it is your goal to keep arguing until you “win”?

Anyway, meant what I said, I DO wish you well, but I am engaging no further.

I can wax lyrical about 250 cars if you prefer, some EV, some diesel, some petrol. I like cars and I like driving.
You also seem somewhat offended that I'm apparently waxing lyrical about the Yaris, a car which I have neither bought, nor joined a dedicated forum on it. Maybe you get offended at the thought of buyers considering a variety of options before spending their money?

No one is arguing until a so-called 'win'. It's called honest debate in a civilized society. Arguing viewpoints, considering options, debating issues. All within forum rules. No personal attacks, no expletive language.

If you choose not to engage further, I respect your decision and also your opinions thus far.

 

[Harry 17]

One hopes this will be a non issue for anyone ordering now.

It is a non issue for me and I have not had the the new breather or clean up done yet!

 

[tsedge]

I can wax lyrical about 250 cars if you prefer, some EV, some diesel, some petrol. I like cars and I like driving.
You also seem somewhat offended that I'm apparently waxing lyrical about the Yaris, a car which I have neither bought, nor joined a dedicated forum on it. Maybe you get offended at the thought of buyers considering a variety of options before spending their money?

No one is arguing until a so-called 'win'. It's called honest debate in a civilized society. Arguing viewpoints, considering options, debating issues. All within forum rules. No personal attacks, no expletive language.

If you choose not to engage further, I respect your decision and also your opinions thus far.

Thanks and likewise, I respect the fact that you are still looking and making up your mind. On re-reading my responses, I do think my patience has been lacking and I apologise.

It wasn't offence, just a bit of frustration given that this thread is about car charging advice and we wandered into comparisons. It might be an idea for you to start a thread on the Yaris (as a comparison to the MG products)?

 

[4ND]

Thanks and likewise, I respect the fact that you are still looking and making up your mind. On re-reading my responses, I do think my patience has been lacking and I apologise.

It wasn't offence, just a bit of frustration given that this thread is about car charging advice and we wandered into comparisons.

No need to apologise. I also (personal opinion) don't think you're 'patience has been lacking'; you simply got an opinion and aired it. No issues on my end on that.

I do agree though about drawing a line under it and returning to the charging advice nature of the thread title.
Peace.

 

[Harry 17]

Nothing emotive in the above, you call them “transportation pods”, which is denigrating. Again, you are literally waxing lyrical about the Yaris.

I am genuinely baffled, unless it is your goal to keep arguing until you “win”?

Anyway, meant what I said, I DO wish you well, but I am engaging no further.

Why is calling ‘them’ transportation pods , denigrating?

I do not feel so, actually find it amusing, and also practicable.

Each to their own I guess.

My Z3 - ‘Batmobile’ is utter madness and I love it to death! Love the sound, the smell, the push back into the seat when I toe poke it. But it is still a transportation pod in my eyes.

I love my MG4 for completely different reasons. I do not give a fig if someone refers to it as a transportation pod, it is.

My Wheelie bin is a transportation pod, from the hoose, to the Bin collection point (away from my private driveway, and onto the public highway, where I do not expect a massive heavy transportation pod, to pick up my rubbish, directly out side my hoose).

Oh what fun! The English language