Speeding. 🙄☹

Maybe this deserves a thread of its own but I'm of the opinion that cruise control or ACC makes a good driver (one who is attentive to the changing situation around them) better because it creates a more relaxed driving condition so they have more time to observe and plan for all the eventualities around them. Conversely a poor driver will see it as, I'll let the car do its thing, I'm not breaking the law, I'm all right Jack, why is there a massive queue of traffic behind me (the once in every five minute glance in the mirror), I'm overtaking this long line of lorries and I'm going 5 mph quicker than them.
 
Rolfe said:
I certainly find it helpful in that I don't have to keep looking down to check my speed, I know I'm not exceeding the limit I set. And if I do want a quick burst of speed when I'm overtaking, well my right foot isn't actually paralysed.
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Which I'm glad to say puts you in the 1st category. :)
 
tsedge said:
The 10% +1 or +2 thing was never a coherent national policy, local forces have always had the discretion to set their own rules. Far too many people think this is a thing when it very often isn't.

I have never been caught speeding and there's a really simple reason - I stick to the speed limit - so can I be oblivious of cameras and traps. I drive my car hard inside the limit.

It is certainly true that a powerful car raises the risk of accidentally speeding. However - with great power comes great responsibility! 😀
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Hi this is a thing. It's acpo guidance that police forces have to follow.

I'm a former police officer

www.lawble.co.uk

Speeding Fines & Penalties Guide 2023 | Lawble

Drivers who are caught speeding face a number of penalties, the most common being a speeding fine.
www.lawble.co.uk www.lawble.co.uk

Not that I'm encouraging speeding. They have to give tolerance due to various factors such as no legal requirement to recalibrate speedos
 

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Fireman frog said:
Technically yes but in reality they will follow it
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No they dont, Lincolnshire Police have zero tolerance, my other half did a speed awareness course for 31mph in a 30 limit, I did write to the Chief Constable who pointed out they were guidelines and they chose not to follow the 10% + 2mph.
 
Fireman frog said:
Hi this is a thing. It's acpo guidance that police forces have to follow.

I'm a former police officer

www.lawble.co.uk

Speeding Fines & Penalties Guide 2023 | Lawble

Drivers who are caught speeding face a number of penalties, the most common being a speeding fine.
www.lawble.co.uk www.lawble.co.uk

Not that I'm encouraging speeding. They have to give tolerance due to various factors such as no legal requirement to recalibrate speedos
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I think the two table columns of speeds are transposed i.e. at 30mph, max speed for fixed penalty is 50mph and min speed for prosecution is 35mph.
 
johnb80 said:
No they dont, Lincolnshire Police have zero tolerance, my other half did a speed awareness course for 31mph in a 30 limit, I did write to the Chief Constable who pointed out they were guidelines and they chose not to follow the 10% + 2mph.
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That's because nothing ever happens in Lincolnshire 🤣

Puts on tin hat and gets coat before exiting rapidly 😎
 
johnb80 said:
I think the two table columns of speeds are transposed i.e. at 30mph, max speed for fixed penalty is 50mph and min speed for prosecution is 35mph.
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I thought that at first glance, table is a bit messy, the one further down is better.
I think they mean:
"Starting point for fixed penalty" the often miss quoted 10% +2 (which is actually the threshold for prosecution under the guidance, so 20 + 10% + 2 = 24mph for a FPN)
and
"Summons above 35"
 
The table further down which better illustrates ACPO guidance with FPN and Summons thresholds.
ACPO guidance.JPG

Plus important notes below table.
 
johnb80 said:
No they dont, Lincolnshire Police have zero tolerance, my other half did a speed awareness course for 31mph in a 30 limit, I did write to the Chief Constable who pointed out they were guidelines and they chose not to follow the 10% + 2mph.
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I would have challenged that all day long. If it's a mobile camera then that's slightly different...

An actual police officer in a car or on a bridge etc will follow acpo guidance in my experience
 
When I first started receiving driving lessons, that was over 50 years ago now.
My old driving instructor offered these kind words of wisdom (with regards to my question over any margins the police may offer regarding speed signs).
"Whatever number is written on that sign, is the actual speed LIMIT and not an instruction for you to exceed it. Remember this and it will keep your money in your pocket and your driving licence clean".
This advice has served me very well over the years and I have endeavoured to pass this onto my two children, while out teaching them both to drive many years ago.
Worth remembering here that the police etc, only catch drivers who exceed the stated limit.
Forget what you MAY or may not get away with over the stated limit!
Speeding is speeding end of story.
If you get caught, then just "Put up (your arm) guilty and pay up".
 
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Fireman frog said:
I would have challenged that all day long. If it's a mobile camera then that's slightly different...
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I did write to the chief constable and was shot down in flames.

Fireman frog said:
An actual police officer in a car or on a bridge etc will follow acpo guidance in my experience
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ACPO = Association of Chief Police Officers, if the Chief Police Offcer in Lincolnshire decides not to follow the guidelines why would a constable or other rank go against his wishes? Do you experience in all of the counties? I must admit I was surprised and annoyed. We have a business in Lincolnshire and the police often use our building for surveillance work, we always welcome the police and look after them with teas, coffees etc, since this incident we no longer help.
 
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