all-season tires

[Hans Gerd]

Hi @all,

searching for a good all-season tire for my MG ZS Hybrid+ Luxury. The Kumho ia what my dealer came up with. what would be better alternatives¿ The test of the KUMHO by german ADAC is not that good ...

KUMHO 215/50 ZR18 92W TL
Solus 4S HA32 M+S 3PMSF
Reifenlabel: B/B/B|72
Z-Nummer: Z00519140

 

[Scotsman]

Hi IAM a bit puzzled why you need all season tyres do you have extreme winters does the temperature drop below 7 Celsius for many months, do you drive many miles in the winter snow frost , if you don't I wouldn't waste your money that's my opinion. Me personally have never changed my summer tyres for winter tyres in all the years of driving even though temperatures can drop to minus 12 etc . Because the extreme weather doesn't last long enough to justify paying more for tyres I don't need ? Just my opinion though.

 

[mick78]

Hi @all,

searching for a good all-season tire for my MG ZS Hybrid+ Luxury. The Kumho ia what my dealer came up with. what would be better alternatives¿ The test of the KUMHO by german ADAC is not that good ...

KUMHO 215/50 ZR18 92W TL
Solus 4S HA32 M+S 3PMSF
Reifenlabel: B/B/B|72
Z-Nummer: Z00519140

Whilst not on a MG, but I did use Conti allseason 2 Contacts for 2 years on a KIA EV6, and despite a heavy EV, they performed really well, with relatively little wear on roughly 30k kms. Only downside was they were a bit noisier than good summer tires on the Autobahn above 130km/h, probably less of an issue in the ZS given it's generally a bit noisy at higher speeds. Snow in Austrian hills winters was handled more than adequately.

Otherwise form experience of colleagues I would also Recommend the Goodyears and the Michelin Crossclimate, with other brands performing rather mediocre; I believe Allseason tires still have a rather big spread between good rubber (almost as good as a Winter tire or summer tire in their respective season) to rather poor performers (probably feelin like summe tires in winter and winter tires in summer)

 

[salty]

Hi IAM a bit puzzled why you need all season tyres do you have extreme winters does the temperature drop below 7 Celsius for many months, do you drive many miles in the winter snow frost , if you don't I wouldn't waste your money that's my opinion. Me personally have never changed my summer tyres for winter tyres in all the years of driving even though temperatures can drop to minus 12 etc . Because the extreme weather doesn't last long enough to justify paying more for tyres I don't need ? Just my opinion though.

Agree.

 

[mick78]

Hi IAM a bit puzzled why you need all season tyres do you have extreme winters does the temperature drop below 7 Celsius for many months, do you drive many miles in the winter snow frost , if you don't I wouldn't waste your money that's my opinion. Me personally have never changed my summer tyres for winter tyres in all the years of driving even though temperatures can drop to minus 12 etc . Because the extreme weather doesn't last long enough to justify paying more for tyres I don't need ? Just my opinion though.

Given his location is Germany, like in my location of Austria tires that are rated "M&S plus and Ice symbol" are mandatory in wintery driving conditions. Whilst most people tend to have 2 sets of tires, but if you don't live in higher Alpine regions and don't tend to go skiing or Norway, Allseasons can be a reasonable alternative to a second set of tires/wheels/changing twice a season.

 

[salty]

Given his location is Germany, like in my location of Austria tires that are rated "M&S plus and Ice symbol" are mandatory in wintery driving conditions. Whilst most people tend to have 2 sets of tires, but if you don't live in higher Alpine regions and don't tend to go skiing or Norway, Allseasons can be a reasonable alternative to a second set of tires/wheels/changing twice a season.

Yep, in your situation, where you live. That's fair enough. And you say it's by law anyway. But in most parts of Britain, most of the time. There not needed.

 

[Kenp1]

I would completely disagree with anyone who thinks that all season tyres are not a good idea in the UK. We don't get a lot of snow but when it does come, driving on summer tyres is almost impossible.

My scariest moment was a couple of years ago when I was out and it started snowing, was going down hill at very low speed and couldn't stop, slid all the way down the hill, across the junction at the bottom and just about stopped before hitting the curb. Since that day whenever I replace the tyres on my main car I get all seasons, and there isn't much difference in price.

 

[salty]

I would completely disagree with anyone who thinks that all season tyres are not a good idea in the UK. We don't get a lot of snow but when it does come, driving on summer tyres is almost impossible.

My scariest moment was a couple of years ago when I was out and it started snowing, was going down hill at very low speed and couldn't stop, slid all the way down the hill, across the junction at the bottom and just about stopped before hitting the curb. Since that day whenever I replace the tyres on my main car I get all seasons, and there isn't much difference in price.

And All Season tyres would have stopped you sliding in that particular situation.
Coz once you start sliding down hill, your sliding and that's it. S'pose all season tyres would perhaps have stop you sliding in the first place. Although I'm sure it was someone on here, or summut i read, there really isn't much difference between the Two, tyres. But as with everything each to their own.

 

[Kenp1]

Yes, I think the all season tyres would have stopped me pretty quickly on the snow. After driving on them for the last five years I can say the difference in snow is like night and day, you have grip, you can accelerate, go round corners and stop without feeling like you have no control over what the car is doing.

Another myth is that 4wd will save you, this was a good video.
4WD on summer tyres vs 2WD on all season tyres

 

[Scotsman]

Yes, I think the all season tyres would have stopped me pretty quickly on the snow. After driving on them for the last five years I can say the difference in snow is like night and day, you have grip, you can accelerate, go round corners and stop without feeling like you have no control over what the car is doing.

Another myth is that 4wd will save you, this was a good video.
4WD on summer tyres vs 2WD on all season tyres

All season tyres wouldn't stop you any more than summer tyres when stopping in the snow or ice unless you had winter tyres with studds on them they could help if you drive slow and sensibly and drive in as high a gear as possible in bad weather snow ice , you won't have a problem with summer tyres , yeh I agree with you regarding people with 4x4 they think they won't lose control in the snow or ice their living in fantasy land if they think that

 

[pdm1]

I would completely disagree with anyone who thinks that all season tyres are not a good idea in the UK. We don't get a lot of snow but when it does come, driving on summer tyres is almost impossible.

My scariest moment was a couple of years ago when I was out and it started snowing, was going down hill at very low speed and couldn't stop, slid all the way down the hill, across the junction at the bottom and just about stopped before hitting the curb. Since that day whenever I replace the tyres on my main car I get all seasons, and there isn't much difference in price.

But that sliding situation could happen with any type of tire.

Just the same as a 4 wheel drive. Excellent in the snow, but just as useless as any other car on an ice road, makes no difference.

 

[Scotsman]

Given his location is Germany, like in my location of Austria tires that are rated "M&S plus and Ice symbol" are mandatory in wintery driving conditions. Whilst most people tend to have 2 sets of tires, but if you don't live in higher Alpine regions and don't tend to go skiing or Norway, Allseasons can be a reasonable alternative to a second set of tires/wheels/changing twice a season.

Well if its law you don't have a choice regarding keeping summer tyres on . Unlike the UK where it isn't law regarding winter tyres I agree with the wheel and tyre option although more expensive, but a lot easier when it comes to running on summer tyres, I don't know how it affects your car insurance though where you are . Because in the UK if you fit non manufacturers allows to your vehicle it's classed as a modification and the insurance has to be notified failure could void insurance I found out the hard way

 

[Alan1966]

Well if its law you don't have a choice regarding keeping summer tyres on . Unlike the UK where it isn't law regarding winter tyres I agree with the wheel and tyre option although more expensive, but a lot easier when it comes to running on summer tyres, I don't know how it affects your car insurance though where you are . Because in the UK if you fit non manufacturers allows to your vehicle it's classed as a modification and the insurance has to be notified failure could void insurance I found out the hard way

Yer just a tight Scotsman I used to have a set of winters for my bmw xdrive and in the snow it was unstoppable. Getting on so I decided on all seasons for my next bmw and got Goodyears which were really good in all conditions. I mainly got them so I would get to work ok in the winter . Now I am retired at the ripe old age of 57 (59 now) there will be no need for any other tyres to be fitted to the Hs

 

[Scotsman]

Yer just a tight Scotsman I used to have a set of winters for my bmw xdrive and in the snow it was unstoppable. Getting on so I decided on all seasons for my next bmw and got Goodyears which were really good in all conditions. I mainly got them so I would get to work ok in the winter . Now I am retired at the ripe old age of 57 (59 now) there will be no need for any other tyres to be fitted to the Hs

Yep that's me a tight Scotsman and proud I tell you what I do when it's a really severe frost I take the tyres of the wheels and run without tyres the friction from the rims just melts the ice

 

[Kenp1]

All season tyres wouldn't stop you any more than summer tyres when stopping in the snow or ice unless you had winter tyres with studds on them they could help if you drive slow and sensibly and drive in as high a gear as possible in bad weather snow ice , you won't have a problem with summer tyres , yeh I agree with you regarding people with 4x4 they think they won't lose control in the snow or ice their living in fantasy land if they think that

You obviously didn't watch the braking part of the video, the tread on a winter or all season tyre will dig into the surface giving extra grip, a summer tyre just slides across the surface.

The trouble is that were I live is a bit hilly, so it doesn't matter how gentle you are with the throttle, you will probably end up stuck at some point on summer tyres in fresh snow.

 

[Scotsman]

You obviously didn't watch the braking part of the video, the tread on a winter or all season tyre will dig into the surface giving extra grip, a summer tyre just slides across the surface.

The trouble is that were I live is a bit hilly, so it doesn't matter how gentle you are with the throttle, you will probably end up stuck at some point on summer tyres in fresh snow.

Not if it's solid ice it won't ? Will just slide like any other tyre just like aquaplaning wouldn't matter which tyre IAM afraid

 

[Kenp1]

Not if it's solid ice it won't ? Will just slide like any other tyre just like aquaplaning wouldn't matter which tyre IAM afraid

I didn't mention ice and haven't any experience of trying to drive on ice, but the Pirelli website says "They have fewer sipes than winter tyres, but more than summer tyres, with good grip on both dry and icy surfaces or in the presence of water and snow.", but I have no idea how they would be on ice.

As for aquaplaning, different tyres let go at different levels when they hit standing water from what I've seen on Tyre Review, although the difference seems to be only a few mph.

 

[mick78]

Technically you could probably survive the few days with actual slush on the roads (we don't get much more in Vienna) to satisfy lawmakers, but the definition of "wintery" driving conditions is a bit so so, and if you are unlucky, a police officer might decide that conditions are wintery enough in his eyes. Also, insurance is a lot stricter again, and whilst summer tires will fare better in terms of aquaplaning due to the wider canals lengthwise, in any other slightly moist condition cold summer tires have decidedly less grip, and I would also say that the standard Gittis on the Luxury or whatever the top trim is called in the respective market are outstandingly bad in cold wet conditions. The 18" Dunlop Wintersports I rock in the cold and dark season are night and day there (but also generally showing how much the car improves with good rubber on its feet)