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sgt4hed said:
It's not a waste of energy though when I can just get straight into my car and drive away without having to risk passing out due to the heat, or taking time to "air" the vehicle...

I too have not bought an EV because it is "green" I am aware that to actually be "green" with an EV you need to have driven about 150k miles in it to offset the carbon emmissions from its construction (lower if you buy second hand of course). I bought an EV because it was bloody loads cheaper to run than my old car.
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Same here...it was a numbers game for me. The bonus being that it's generally a nice driving experience from what I've tried thus far.
 
sgt4hed said:
It's not a waste of energy though when I can just get straight into my car and drive away without having to risk passing out due to the heat, or taking time to "air" the vehicle...

I too have not bought an EV because it is "green" I am aware that to actually be "green" with an EV you need to have driven about 150k miles in it to offset the carbon emmissions from its construction (lower if you buy second hand of course). I bought an EV because it was bloody loads cheaper to run than my old car.
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Not sure where you get 150k miles of driving to offset the CO2 produced during the manufacture of the battery?

Perhaps you could point me to the source of this information?
 
sgt4hed said:
It's not a waste of energy though when I can just get straight into my car and drive away without having to risk passing out due to the heat, or taking time to "air" the vehicle...
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How did you manage before I wonder 😁
sgt4hed said:
I too have not bought an EV because it is "green" I am aware that to actually be "green" with an EV you need to have driven about 150k miles in it to offset the carbon emmissions from its construction (lower if you buy second hand of course). I bought an EV because it was bloody loads cheaper to run than my old car.
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I thought that figure was just to be "break even" equivalent in co2 emissions from a hybrid vehicle? To actually be "green" overall you need to do more miles with it, which is also pretty even more unlikely isn't it?
 
sgt4hed said:
It's not a waste of energy though when I can just get straight into my car and drive away without having to risk passing out due to the heat, or taking time to "air" the vehicle...

I too have not bought an EV because it is "green" I am aware that to actually be "green" with an EV you need to have driven about 150k miles in it to offset the carbon emmissions from its construction (lower if you buy second hand of course). I bought an EV because it was bloody loads cheaper to run than my old car.
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Interesting statistic - 150k miles. How does that compare to buying and running an ICE car, I wonder. Is that much less in carbon emissions to make? (VW claim their main ev factory is net zero, by the way.) I doubt if SAIC can say the same, but apparently China now derive 43% of their electricity from renewable sources.
 
Harry said:
Interesting statistic - 150k miles. How does that compare to buying and running an ICE car, I wonder. Is that much less in carbon emissions to make? (VW claim their main ev factory is net zero, by the way.) I doubt if SAIC can say the same, but apparently China now derive 43% of their electricity from renewable sources.
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The 150k miles of driving is nonsense.

The MG ZS EV has 68kWh usable battery. CO2 emissions for manufacturing that battery would range between 2000 kg and 13,600 kg depending where the battery is manufactured. (It’s roughly 30kg to 150kg CO2 produced per kWh of battery size.)

A typical fossil powered car emits around 1000 kg of CO2 in 2,500 miles of driving.

So best case is 5,000 miles of driving, worse case is 34,000 miles of driving depending on where the battery is manufactured.

And note that while that mileage is being driven the car is producing no emissions.
 
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MichaelJHunt said:
The 150k miles of driving is nonsense.

The MG ZS EV has 68kWh usable battery. CO2 emissions for manufacturing that battery would range between 2000 kg and 13,600 kg depending where the battery is manufactured. (It’s roughly 30kg to 150kg CO2 produced per kWh of battery size.)

A typical fossil powered car emits around 1000 kg of CO2 in 2,500 miles of driving.

So best case is 5,000 miles of driving, worse case is 34,000 miles of driving depending on where the battery is manufactured.

And note that while that mileage is being driven the car is producing no emissions.
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Someone tell him there's an interesting video put up today that he might want to watch.

He won't see this as he took his bat home & says he's ignoring me after I queried some profound statement or other 😁 bless😂
 
N2STY said:
Remember most batteries will be recycled as well so that has to effect figures in a good way?
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Still doesn’t remove the manufacturing “CO2 cost”.

Recycling is not cheap either. The batteries if used for solar powered systems will need to be repacked into another form factor, more production CO2 cost.

I don’t think anyone really believes that BEVs are 100% clean, but they are much better than directly burning fossil fuels to power a car.

A gas powered power station can achieve an efficiency of 60%, much better than a typical petrol car which would be around 30%.

Around 65% of electric generated in the UK is from “clean” sources: wind; solar; bio and nuclear. 30% from gas and the remainder from a variety of sources, including importing.

As such, the electric put into our BEVs is much cleaner than burning fossil fuels.
 
AK OK said:
Someone tell him there's an interesting video put up today that he might want to watch.

He won't see this as he took his bat home & says he's ignoring me after I queried some profound statement or other 😁 bless😂
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Please read the site rules. We expect members to treat others with respect.
 
AK OK said:
Nah shurely the biggest waste of precious electrons ever?
Just open the car doors & let the hot air out 🤷‍♂️
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When we came back from the hospital with our newborn, the temperature outside was 38 and inside 45. Lowering the inside temp to 25 degrees was a relieve for us
 
RamseyLewis said:
When we came back from the hospital with our newborn, the temperature outside was 38 and inside 45. Lowering the inside temp to 25 degrees was a relieve for us
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Fab.

How did everyone manage beforehand?
Oh yes, they opened the doors & waited for 3? minutes most likely whilst putting things in the boot etc, then drove off with the windows open or perhaps with their a/c on. 🤷‍♂️
 
AK OK said:
Fab.

How did everyone manage beforehand?
Oh yes, they opened the doors & waited for 3? minutes most likely whilst putting things in the boot etc, then drove off with the windows open or perhaps with their a/c on. 🤷‍♂️
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Yea and that was very uncomfortable. Same thing in winter. I was so happy to enter in my heated car and start driving right away instead of freezing my a** for 15 minutes. This is now a mandatory feature for me
 
RamseyLewis said:
Yea and that was very uncomfortable. Same thing in winter. I was so happy to enter in my heated car and start driving right away instead of freezing my a** for 15 minutes. This is now a mandatory feature for me
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I use the heated seats when it's cold - you should try 👍
 
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