Selling up

peteg said:

Thanks for your replies and suggestions. As I said, the problem has not been charging at home, although it seems it would not be wise to charge to 100% on a regular basis. The problem for us has been the unexpected - out for the day and unexpectedly called to go somewhere else, or forced to make a detour because a road has been closed, and finding it difficult to get a top-up charge. The drop in battery performance due to the cold, while not unexpected, has exacerbated the issue. At the moment, for us, the electric car does not appear to be the answer.

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Hey, I'm an advocate for EVs and have been for years but they aren't right for everyone at the current state of play. I love holidaying and driving my EV in Scotland, The Lakes and the Wilds of Wales and I know that as a visitor I can usually plan carefully and so far I've not been caught out. However, I live down in Essex and the 163 official range of my current ZS translates to real-world 110 on the motorway in winter and 180 to 200 in summer is never a problem for me because these are the trips I do 48 weeks of the year. My daughter who also has a 2020 Gen 1 ZS however and commits via the M25 will often find she has to divert due to "incidents" on the motorway and long diversions have many times meant that I've had the call, "dad I'm nearly out where's my nearest Rapid?" For her, an MG HS Hybrid would work in one way and then she'd have the range flexibility. But I can appreciate that for #peteg, where 180 miles isn't enough for a daily driver, then an HS wouldn't work in pure range terms either. Although, when not in EV-Mode, with the terrain comprising frequent hills and dips the EV Assistance up hills and Regeneration down hills the (and forgive me I hate this Toyota marketing term) "Self Charging" aspect of its Hybrid mode rather than pure EV Mode could really cut costs and make for a smoother driving experience.

Bit of a pointless replying to op he won’t change his mind as he has already bought a diesel. Hope it doesn’t freeze in the sub zero temperatures in jockland. Good luck with your new ice motor.

Are you guys quoting actual range to a charge or just what the GOM says ?
When I charge my Gen 1, the GOM says 162 miles range in Summer and I usually get about that actual.
But in Winter the GOM says 152 miles but I get about 140 miles actual.
So based on that, if your Gen 2 GOM says 200 miles in Winter, I think you will get less actual (185 ?).

Kithmo said:

Are you guys quoting actual range to a charge or just what the GOM says ?
When I charge my Gen 1, the GOM says 162 miles range in Summer and I usually get about that actual.
But in Winter the GOM says 152 miles but I get about 140 miles actual.
So based on that, if your Gen 2 GOM says 200 miles in Winter, I think you will get less actual (185 ?).

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I was quoting my actual. In Summer my Gen 1 ZS GOM often will quote over 200 miles directly off the charge and about town with a rural mix A and B roads I'll get 180 miles actual miles. Conversely, in Winter, 135/140 miles on the GOM after an overnight charge and I'll get about 110/120 driving.

Bodgerx said:

I would understand it if you had a string of horror stories of being left stranded etc. But some inconveniences with public rapid charging…hmmm.

What worries me about posts like this is that people are not prepared to accept even the mildest of changes to norms in order to have an environmental impact.

We are in trouble.

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Let's not forget where all our power is coming from in these winter days....

AK OK said:

Let's not forget where all our power is coming from in these winter days....

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Yes wind is around half the energy mix most days in winter.

Add to that to the fact that's it's more efficient and less polluting with an EV charged even with a 100% fossil fuel grid than an ICE car and it's win, win.

Bodgerx said:

Yes wind is around half the energy mix most days in winter.

Add to that to the fact that's it's more efficient and less polluting with an EV charged even with a 100% fossil fuel grid than an ICE car and it's win, win.

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Wind now is 5%

Bullocks!

AK OK said:

Wind now is 5%

Bullocks!

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At this very moment in time the National grid ESO app is showing 7%, but that's low for winter average I'd say. I checked a couple of evenings last week and it was well over 50%.

If you see stats for October average over the month was 57% for zero carbon.

Regardless, as I say even if it was 100% coal the efficiencies of an EV still vastly outweigh an ICE car. There's no contest.

AK OK said:

Wind now is 5%

Bullocks!

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Last year Q4 wind was 26% for the uk

N2STY said:

Last year Q4 wind was 26% for the uk

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That will also get higher as more major wind projects get online. It's all up from here, fossil sources will reduce over time.

Bodgerx said:

At this very moment in time the National grid ESO app is showing 7%, but that's low for winter average I'd say. I checked a couple of evenings last week and it was well over 50%.

If you see stats for October average over the month was 57% for zero carbon.

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Last month...

Wind in light blue, gas in orange

Bodgerx said:

That will also get higher as more major wind projects get online. It's all up from here, fossil sources will reduce over time.

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Last month renewables
Average contbn 39% but look at the minimum... 8.4% there's yer issue that you have to size for or plan in rolling blackouts as standard....

What's the gray nuclear?

N2STY said:

What's the gray nuclear?

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Yup
we need more of that not bloody windmills & sunshine generation

Bodgerx said:

That will also get higher as more major wind projects get online. It's all up from here, fossil sources will reduce over time.

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Last year total renewables average 33.7% minimum 11% !

The problem with renewables is that they are at their most efficient when demand is lower in the summer months and as there's little or no way of storing electrical power we get the ludicrous situation of wind generators being taken off line when there is over capacity and the owners still being paid !They're useless when there's little wind or sun. Any percentage of renewables against fossil fuels is meaningless unless it's matched with demand, and useable.

awbugritt said:

The problem with renewables is that they are at their most efficient when demand is lower in the summer months and as there's little or no way of storing electrical power we get the ludicrous situation of wind generators being taken off line when there is over capacity and the owners still being paid !They're useless when there's little wind or sun. Any percentage of renewables against fossil fuels is meaningless unless it's matched with demand, and useable.

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You are making such a good case for Grid Level Storage and Smart Metering for Time of Day Tariffs along with legislating for all Smart Home Chargers to have Vehicle to Grid capability that you should stand for parliament as a Green Party candidate at the next election.

Get the comparative facts on winter/summer ranges and spects in different scenaios at Ev-Database UK. follow these links to both Llong Range and Standard Range MG4

N2STY said:

Here it's the realistic range
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MG ZS EV Long Range

All details and specs of the MG ZS EV Long Range (2021). Compare price, lease, real-world range and consumption of every electric vehicle.

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MG ZS EV Standard Range

All details and specs of the MG ZS EV Standard Range (2022). Compare price, lease, real-world range and consumption of every electric vehicle.

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And above is the ZS

BarryH said:

You are making such a good case for Grid Level Storage

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If only it were possible...