Europe scraps 2035 new ICE car sales ban

[EvTek23]

Autocar have just released this article. Although not currently official, German newspaper Bild has been told plans "were off the table"

Europe scraps 2035 new ICE car sales ban - report | Autocar

A senior European lawmaker says the ban is "off the table"; EU expected to officially confirm on Tuesday

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[salty]

Doesn't suprise me at all. And doesn't bother me at all. They'll do whatever they want. Probably a load of cobblers anyway. I'll still stick with EVs.

 

[Gadget Geek]

If it's true then they have condemned our children to a world of starvation, limited fresh water and societal collapse. We are now in a time of climate crisis, not just climate change.

 

[LenEV2016]

 

[Gadget Geek]

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An unfiltered assessment of the latest threats to UK food supply, health and national security from eight leading experts to an invitation-only audience - also covering positive solutions. Westminster Central Hall, 27 November.

www.nebriefing.org

 

[Everest]

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Ferrari could just be bought by Fiat then... oh wait....

 

[Bam Bam]

Depressing news, though on the other hand hopefully buying a combustion car in 2035 would be like buying one of these would today...

 

[Ian Key]

Depressing news, though on the other hand hopefully buying a combustion car in 2035 would be like buying one of these would today...

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Basic but reliable

 

[Bam Bam]

Personally I wouldn't mind so much allowing combustion car sales if they were forced to use synthetic e-fuels made from renewable electricity and not fossil fuel from under the ground.

Of course no one would want one because synthetic e-fuels are always going to cost a fortune.

Even then they would still cause particulate air pollution in cities, though, so still not great.

 

[Gadget Geek]

e-fuels are just as unsustainable as fossil fuels, just in a different way.

What the biofuels industry doesn’t want you to know – biofuelwatch

 

[tsedge]

If it's true then they have condemned our children to a world of starvation, limited fresh water and societal collapse. We are now in a time of climate crisis, not just climate change.

Hardly. Nothing Europe does will make any difference to worldwide emissions as its effects are drowned out by the big emitters with rising emissions (US, China, India, Latin America, etc..).

EVs have a pretty marginal effect anyway on CO2 levels, if you look at the whole supply chain. They are good for reducing other types of pollution though and general air quality, which is one environmental reason I favour them.

Everyone who ever predicted the end of the world is nigh has been wrong. We need to reduce the drama and focus calm heads on the best ways to adapt to what will a very slow crisis to unfold and quite possible to manage with clear headed policies and long-term planning.

 

[Gadget Geek]

Everyone who ever predicted the end of the world is nigh has been wrong. We need to reduce the drama and focus calm heads on the best ways to adapt to what will a very slow crisis to unfold and quite possible to manage with clear headed policies and long-term planning.

Unfortunatley, that approach may have worked back in 1982, when ExxonMobile commissioned a study on the effects of their business on the environment and then proptly hid it because it would have been bad for business not only for them but all of the industry.

Researchers now agree that we are in a climate crisis . . . you only have to watch the news to see that extreme weather patterns are becoming the norm. The 1.5 degree target is now unobtainable and without immediatey stopping CO2 emissions, the planet will pass 2 degrees of warming.

We can either choose to try and mitigate climate change now, or be forced to try and survive it later when we will be playing catch up.

 

[tsedge]

Unfortunatley, that approach may have worked back in 1982, when ExxonMobile commissioned a study on the effects of their business on the environment and then proptly hid it because it would have been bad for business not only for them but all of the industry.

Researchers now agree that we are in a climate crisis . . . you only have to watch the news to see that extreme weather patterns are becoming the norm. The 1.5 degree target is now unobtainable and without immediatey stopping CO2 emissions, the planet will pass 2 degrees of warming.

We can either choose to try and mitigate climate change now, or be forced to try and survive it later when we will be playing catch up.

There is absolutely no way we are going to stop the warming. It is completely unrealistic and the world is going backwards, not forwards towards reducing CO2 emission. You are presenting a choice that doesn't exist.

The idea is that we will abandon fossil fuels is for the birds. This is part of the problem: we need to be realistic about what people are going to accept and what they are not. A huge part of the world wants Western living standards and we can't change their minds nor can we stand in their way.

We have to see the world as it is: not as we might wish it to be.

So the conversation needs to be about adaption: not increasingly shill and desperate alarmist rhetoric which is just putting off the majority and not achieving any positive change.

To people who care passionately about this: put your energies into finding technical solutions to mitigate the effects and adapt to the changes that people see coming.

 

[Gadget Geek]

And that is why our children are doomed.

 

[LenEV2016]

And that is why our children are doomed.

You are never going to convince countries that are now striving to have what the west has not to use what resources they have in their own lands.

And who are we to attempt to tell them they can't, we have made a pigs ear of our own country without trying to tell others what they can and can't do in theirs

 

[tsedge]

And that is why our children are doomed.

I don't think that message is helpful to anyone.

Most of these projections - and they are simply possible scenarios nobody is certain about (an honesty lacking from the biggest advocates) - assume we do nothing to mitigate or adapt.

We can thrive and so can our children if we put our minds to it. That is a positive focus that people can align behind.

 

[MG Clive]

I don't think that message is helpful to anyone.

Most of these projections - and they are simply possible scenarios nobody is certain about (an honesty lacking from the biggest advocates) - assume we do nothing to mitigate or adapt.

We can thrive and so can our children if we put our minds to it. That is a positive focus that people can align behind.

Unfortunately Trump and his 'Drill baby, drill' motto doesn't inspire positivity.

 

[Gadget Geek]

I must get a pair of those rose tinted glasses.

 

[tsedge]

Unfortunately Trump and his 'Drill baby, drill' motto doesn't inspire positivity.

I agree, which is exactly why we need something better than "we're doomed" or "the only answer is to STOP XXX".

 

[OriginalBigAl]

The only way oil /coal etc will stop is when is when it costs more to extract than can be made from it.
Humans can and will adapt , populations can move freely around the world without restrictions to get a better life after droughts, wildfires or flooding have destroyed their indigenous lands into the welcoming arms of their new hosts. What !!!
Trees and plants will slowly migrate and re populate areas were once they could not thrive taking with them the animals , if they have managed to hold on , with them . Birds and insects will also have to change habits and habitats , well they have wings haven't they. Fish and sea life will also have to adapt to a warmer , less oxygenated more acidic watery existence , well those Whales could do with losing a few tonnes and pre vinegared cod, excellent!
On the bright side , a world without Florida , almost worth it.