EV Chargers

[5teep]

I did say in my defence I was probably being unfair

I do think a reasonable amount of people get taken in by these headline off peak rates.

You're not wrong in that people often don't look at the down sides in any 'deal'. I suspect that most people who go for the overnight tarriff change their thinking very quickly to "what can I put on during the night that I used to do in the daytime.." I certainly did.

 

[bilbo]

Actually you're right I am on 26p peak time rate, and my standing charge is 63p per day, yes combined it is £1 per day.

I wasn't aware of smart charging, it sounds good?

EDF Smart Charge details here.

Says it's compatible with the following chargers

• Hypervolt Home 3 Pro
• myenergi zappi

I have the Hypervolt.

 

[blohot]

I live in a new build home and it came with the Sync EV 7KW charger so I have been using that and so far so good.

 

[asti1488]

First charge issue
Ohme home pro with mg I smart app .
Ohme switches on at midnight till 5 am
Even though I smart is set to charge at the same time . when Ohme switches on the I smart has to be switched on by hand to start accepting the charge
Why won’t it switch on automatically ?

 

[5teep]

Try one or the other, not both at once. Leave the ohme set and just plug the car in with no timers set

 

[Mickandsej]

I’ve had my Ohme 8m tethered and IOG for 18 months and around 10000 miles over the MGs: 5SE, 4XP and now staying with my S5 Trophy.
When I bought the XP it came with a £600 Octopus freebie - £300 home account credit and £300 Electroverse. I’ve only used on the road charging 4 times in total so have loads left on the card. I only spent £120 at home in the whole of last year, effectively free.
I’m on varied shift patterns and plug in at different times of day, IOG often puts charge in well outside the core hours. It’s on 4G so no WiFi issues. The monthly savings in fuel mean I’m basically paying £120 pcm on my pcp.
I was already with Octopus when I went EV so it was and still is a no brainer. The Ohme OS and App have never let me down unlike a couple of roadside chargers.
Just my experience but very happy with the whole EV experience and won’t go back to ICE!

 

[JohnV6]

Agreed I have the same set uo

 

[asti1488]

I’ve set up the ohme for a 10% charge. Between 12:00 and 5:00 which should give me a full charge . I won’t touch the mg app till tomorrow and see if it has charged . If so I’ll just use the ohme and keep the mg for info only Will report back with outcome

 

[Mickandsej]

I use the MG app for read-only when it comes to charging, let Ohme have full control over it. When on roadside chargers I just go max and do minimum comms, splash and dash if you like.

 

[dagobertch]

I use a Go E Charger. The flex Version with a connected Plug.

 

[asti1488]

Success , charged with ohme home pro
Didn’t use mg app
Car charged at midnight and this morning mg app shows 100% full battery so we have cracked it ! Mg app is now to be used for monitoring only and just rely on good old ohme
One last thing
Car shows 100% charged but range shows 250 miles a bit lower than I expected , I assume it’s because it’s freezing cold outside !

 

[TimothyN]

250 miles is 3.9 miles/kWh on a 64kWh LR battery.

Most people would consider that very optimistic.

I do get an average of 4.2, but I drive very, very economically. I think most people are hovering around three, or even less, so they aren't reasonably expecting any more than 190 miles.

 

[LenEV2016]

Success , charged with ohme home pro
Didn’t use mg app
Car charged at midnight and this morning mg app shows 100% full battery so we have cracked it ! Mg app is now to be used for monitoring only and just rely on good old ohme
One last thing
Car shows 100% charged but range shows 250 miles a bit lower than I expected , I assume it’s because it’s freezing cold outside !

If you feel like digging around in the forum there are several older threads discussing just using you charger schedule and leaving the cars alone.
The ohme app is pretty solid and shouldn't give you any issues.
As has been said your 250 mile reading is being very optimistic.
Average winter LR real world is 180-190ish

 

[TimothyN]

Incidentally, the benefits of getting 4.2 over 3 is not just a 35% saving, it can be a 1600% saving if it means that you can charge only at home at 6.7p per kW as opposed to 89p at fast chargers.

 

[tsedge]

Incidentally, the benefits of getting 4.2 over 3 is not just a 35% saving, it can be a 1600% saving if it means that you can charge only at home at 6.7p per kW as opposed to 89p at fast chargers.

Yes, the whole efficiency argument is only really of consequence while Ultra-rapid charging is so expensive.... if it is was comparable to home (which it should be), then range would matter much less.

But you know, if you amortise the Ultra-rapid costs across all your journeys for a year - I found that because my miles are dominated by local journeys, the Ultra-rapid costs are effectively a small part of my running costs and the price is largely irrelevant.

Of course, if you travel long distance regularly YMMV.

 

[Everest]

Yes, the whole efficiency argument is only really of consequence while Ultra-rapid charging is so expensive.... if it is was comparable to home (which it should be)

Why should it be? Companies need to rent land, buy very expensive equipment, build buildings, install and maintain it, employ staff, make a profit.

I don't expect to go out to a restaurant and pay the same price that the ingredients would cost in Tesco

 

[tsedge]

Why should it be? Companies need to rent land, buy equipment, install and maintain it, employ staff, make a profit.

Because not everyone can have home charging. It is an un-level playing field. I've outlined before a plan to dramatically reduce public charging costs.

I don't expect to go out to a restaurant and pay the same price that the ingredients would cost in Tesco

That's a false analogy - everyone can go to Tesco but not everyone can have home charging. I suppose you could reduce charger costs at supermarkets to home levels to make the analogy literally work... but even then it would be the contrast between home delivery and having to make the trip to the supermarket to charge!

 

[Everest]

Then someone would need to subsidise the companies providing the rapid charging services, that everyone pays for, even if they don't have an EV or need to charge away from home.

 

[tsedge]

Then someone would need to subsidise the companies providing the rapid charging services, that everyone pays for, even if they don't have an EV or need to charge away from home.

I've suggested:

• Zero rate public charging for VAT (government is currently thinking about reducing to 5%).
• Apply the customer electricity price caps to public charging providers (they pay higher commercial rates).
• Force the supply agreements to be usage-based, not capacity-based (currently they pay for the capacity whether or not anyone is using the chargers).
• Provide very generous tax allowances to write-off capital costs for new and expanded charging infrastructure (effectively a form of tax-subsidy).

PS: We are effectively all contributing to a public good, which I think is worth it. Otherwise as I have no children, I might say: "Why should I pay for schools and child benefit?", for example.

 

[Everest]

Agree with the principle, especially the P.S.. But even if you have all those proposals in place, the rapid charging companies will still have costs to meet, loans to pay off and staff to pay and need to make a profit, so will not be able to sell their services for the cost price of electrons.