Have you noticed fuel prices going up

[Everest]

 

[Ian Key]

I was chuffed to bits to get a full tank of petrol for £55.00 today, well it was just for the lawnmower, but I’m trying to stay positive.

How big is your lawnmower to have a 9 gallon tank?
What are you mowing?
The whole of North Yorkshire?
That's very generous for a Yorkshire man

 

[Gomev]

Don't forget, any fuel they sell today, will have to be replaced by fuel which has increased in price. As a buisness, they are going to sell the existing stock they have at the price it will cost them to replace it so as not to take a hit on their profits.

Not saying it's right or fair, it's just buisness.

And there was me thinking that businesses sold stock on a mark up basis to cover their costs and make a profit. I didn't realise they used crystal balls to predict future re-stocking costs to form the basis for their mark up on current stock.

 

[Everest]

How big is your lawnmower to have a 9 gallon tank?

I think it was Clive's joke

 

[PeterHR2]

Local Sainsburys filling station today ... Petrol 132.9, Diesel 144.9

Local Gulf filling station today (which is often the cheaper of the 2) ... Petrol 134.9, Diesel 156.9

Interesting! My local Sainsbury (in Hereford ~14 mi away) has petrol at 139.9 (super unleaded 151.9) and diesel at 155.9.

 

[PeterHR2]

Well, I've got enough kerosene to do me through into April. By then we'll be getting to the point where if I can heat one room in the house where I'll spend most of the day, the rest of the house won't be too cold to walk through or work in temporarily. I can heat that one room with an electric fan heater if I have to. And if I don't want to pay daytime electricity prices (which I don't, really), I can run an extension lead through the window and use the VtL. (The home battery itself can only run that heater for two or three hours.)

I guess I'll cope.

I'd have normally got 1,000 litres at last order but opted for 600 litres because we were moving into spring and would have to order (hopefully at a lower price) in last week of March for early April top up. I wish I'd gone for my 'normal' 1,000 litres now!!

At least kerosene is (currently) available again, but BoilerJuice could only get me one quote, and for a week hence:



That's ~2.5 times the cost of my last order. Needless to say, I'm not ordering at that price. Still, I have a couple of weeks before I really have to consider ordering... or not.

 

[Everest]

Still, I have a couple of weeks before I really have to consider ordering... or not.

How about buying a 20 litre can and getting a few fills of diesel to top you up until you can turn it off for the summer?

or mail order a small quantity of kerosene?

Kerosene Heating Oil 20L 100L 200L

Kerosene Heating Oil 20L, 100L or 200L to your door in 20l cans. delivered either via APC courier or by hailer and dropped curbside.

www.ryeoil.co.uk

 

[T1 Terry]

No connection with the trade at all. Just a consumer who relies on kerosene being delivered JIT to keep hot water flowing, the kitchen warm and being able to cook.

The timing of the Boilerjuice quote in @Alb's post is critical (Thurs ~6:30pm). On seeing that post originally at around 9 am on the Friday morning the first thing I did was also check Boilerjuice and I initially got similar (higher quotes) with deliveries about a week to a fortnight away. If I'd placed an order at that time I may have expected it to be honoured. Whether it would have been I have my doubts, but I'll never know for sure. Heating oil delivery times are a bit of a movable feast at the best and most passive of times, more often than not arriving a day or two later, as shown by the attached screenshot of an email for my last delivery.**

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Then a couple of hours later (just after 11 am Friday) I was going to firm up an order and so rechecked Boilerjuice and from that point Boilerjuice's over 200 sources of kerosene declined to offer quotes for heating oil or its delivery.

Brent crude was about $85 per barrel on Thursday (Why have I switched to Brent crude price rather than kerosene? Because it feeds in to all oil-derived commodities, and so it affects heating oil price and availability) when @Alb got that quote, but when the Asia markets opened Friday morning (about 1 or 2 am UK time) the price immediately jumped to just over $100 per barrel and within another 15-20 minutes had climbed to something like $115 per barrel. And that is the reason why I couldn't get a quote or a delivery. This is how fast this particular market works.

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**'Resource issues' means either they can't get the kerosene today, their delivery algorithms have rerouted my order to a nearer customer (though some suppliers do indicate the 'order has been rerouted' – Watson's are good on that excuse), or the tanker driver is off ill today.

Interesting, heating oil over here is extra refined diesel, fuel for an RV diesel heater requires 1ltr kero with 9 ltrs of diesel in the heater tank to stop the burner chamber from filling with carbon and the injector and pump waxing up over the summer period.
At Bunnings hardware, kero is now around $25 for 4 ltrs, it was around $10, 20 ltrs is $125.60, I remember when I was buying it for parts washing when I had the automotive workshop, it was 1/2 the price of diesel and it could be bought a fuel bowser in a lot of service stations ..... Even at the wacky prices for diesel at the moment, 4 ltrs is only $10 .....

T1 Terry

 

[PeterHR2]

How about buying a 20 litre can and getting a few fills of diesel to top you up until you can turn it off for the summer?

or mail order a small quantity of kerosene?

Kerosene Heating Oil 20L 100L 200L

Kerosene Heating Oil 20L, 100L or 200L to your door in 20l cans. delivered either via APC courier or by hailer and dropped curbside.

www.ryeoil.co.uk

Yes, I'm looking at the option of getting/borrowing some 30-litre jerry cans and getting some kerosene from a filling station about 10 mi away that has it on pump (unless they've run dry cos everyone else has the same idea!). When I go past it next time I'll see what the pump price is. The main thing is to keep the Aga going, so I need about 40 litres a week.

The mail-order stuff is ridiculously expensive and would be a real last resort.

EDIT: Actually, your suggestion of 20 litre cans is probably better, as the tank inlet is about 2.5 m agl and I have to haul it up a ladder!

 

[securespark]

132.9/ 144.9 has to be the cheapest I have seen.

My local Tesco Express (Esso) is 137.9/ 155.9.
Tesco SK1 135.9/ 149.9 (cheapest round here)
Tesco SK9 138.9/ 155.9 (highest for both)
Sainsbury's SK7 self serve 136.9/ 151.9
Sainsbury's SK8 137.9/ 153.9
Morrisons SK3 135.9/ 152.9
Asda SK4 135.9/ 155.9

Is it too simplistic to assume the fuel is cheap at Tesco's SK1 store and dearer at Tesco's SK9 store because of the demographics?

 

[PeterHR2]

Interesting, heating oil over here is extra refined diesel, fuel for an RV diesel heater requires 1ltr kero with 9 ltrs of diesel in the heater tank to stop the burner chamber from filling with carbon and the injector and pump waxing up over the summer period.
At Bunnings hardware, kero is now around $25 for 4 ltrs, it was around $10, 20 ltrs is $125.60, I remember when I was buying it for parts washing when I had the automotive workshop, it was 1/2 the price of diesel and it could be bought a fuel bowser in a lot of service stations ..... Even at the wacky prices for diesel at the moment, 4 ltrs is only $10 .....

T1 Terry

UK heating oil is a C9/C10 to C16 mixture (28-second burning oil), also known as C2 kero (and various other terms).

If push comes to shove and I can't get the normal stuff I can use the more expensive paraffin. I could even use straight (white) diesel as an emergency stopgap. Though I'll have to check whether my Worcester oil boiler could manage the latter. So I have some options. What I can't do is use HVO without modifying the burner(s).

 

[T1 Terry]

UK heating oil is a C9/C10 to C16 mixture (28-second burning oil), also known as C2 kero (and various other terms).

If push comes to shove and I can't get the normal stuff I can use the more expensive paraffin. I could even use straight (white) diesel as an emergency stopgap. Though I'll have to check whether my Worcester oil boiler could manage the latter. So I have some options. What I can't do is use HVO without modifying the burner(s).

You would have to convert the cooking oil into biofuel if you wanted to go that way. There is a lot of information on the interweb about making biofuel from used cooking oil and a lot of the older converted buses are being run on bio fuel, but I'm guessing you might need to thin it a bit to run in stove/water heater to handle the cold .... or rig up a method of preheating the oil to make it thinner .....

T1 Terry