It would be enough if the combustion engine only drove the wheels when going uphill with an empty battery and also not charged the battery. It's not rocket science for the software to recognize this. If the car notices that you are accelerating hard, charging the battery should simply be interrupted when the battery is empty and only charged again when the load on the combustion engine is reduced.
Abslutely agree, but this Atkinson cycle motor gives 128Nm Torque at Max, something i've noticed it's the thermical efficiency which it's preferred by the brand.
 
It would be enough if the combustion engine only drove the wheels when going uphill with an empty battery and also not charged the battery. It's not rocket science for the software to recognize this. If the car notices that you are accelerating hard, charging the battery should simply be interrupted when the battery is empty and only charged again when the load on the combustion engine is reduced.
Sounds like a good solution to me, does it really HAVE to charge the battery on a short incline, surely the car can recognise that it is on a hill and reduce the load on the engine accordingly for a short time.

Hard to run in a new engine and keep it below 3000 revs when the only option is to slow down considerably annoying other drivers behind, who wonder what the hell you are slowing down for.

Should add that the revs do drop to about 1800 rpm eventually, but it takes a few minutes to do so, is the battery really depleted this quickly, I know its not a Tesla and is only 1.83kw battery but wonder how the power is used up and in what ratio's.

I'll try and bring up the power stats mentioned earlier in this thread, would be very interesting to see just how quickly the battery is depleted/charged, and at what stage of the journey.
Also, how.long regenerative braking takes to put meaningful charge back into the battery at different regen states (1,2 or 3 ).

This cold weather will also have an effect.

I know the salesman said drive, and let the car do its thing but I'm curious to know.

Graydo
 
Sounds like a good solution to me, does it really HAVE to charge the battery on a short incline, surely the car can recognise that it is on a hill and reduce the load on the engine accordingly for a short time.

Hard to run in a new engine and keep it below 3000 revs when the only option is to slow down considerably annoying other drivers behind, who wonder what the hell you are slowing down for.

Should add that the revs do drop to about 1800 rpm eventually, but it takes a few minutes to do so, is the battery really depleted this quickly, I know its not a Tesla and is only 1.83kw battery but wonder how the power is used up and in what ratio's.

I'll try and bring up the power stats mentioned earlier in this thread, would be very interesting to see just how quickly the battery is depleted/charged, and at what stage of the journey.
Also, how.long regenerative braking takes to put meaningful charge back into the battery at different regen states (1,2 or 3 ).

This cold weather will also have an effect.

I know the salesman said drive, and let the car do its thing but I'm curious to know.

Graydo
Software PD 052 is now available in UK and Ireland to address this problem.I am getting it on Wednesday. You need to contact your dealership as they will not contact you..
 
Software PD 052 is now available in UK and Ireland to address this problem.I am getting it on Wednesday. You need to contact your dealership as they will not contact you..
Hey Busman

Please let us know if you manage to get the update, and if it does make a difference.

Am looking forward to your results.
 
I will also receive my update on Wednesday and I am really excited.

However, the update will probably not reduce the high rpm as the update is designed to mitigate the loss of power when the battery is empty.
Yes, from what I understand, the update mostly sets the "charge mode kick in" threshold to 40 instead of 15% as before, so it will charge more often and drive less long on pure EV mode, but have more juice to play with to assist the petrol engine, and will start charging as soon as the car detects a steeper incline, even before that threshold ( I did notice that the system must have some kind of "angle meter", as after steep car park ramps, often the engine will briefly rev up until it realizes its even for a certain length, no matter the charge state or throttle position, and I guess that will now kick in quicker as well) .
I don't think anything was mentioned about high RPM on motorways.
 
Yes, from what I understand, the update mostly sets the "charge mode kick in" threshold to 40 instead of 15% as before, so it will charge more often and drive less long on pure EV mode, but have more juice to play with to assist the petrol engine, and will start charging as soon as the car detects a steeper incline, even before that threshold ( I did notice that the system must have some kind of "angle meter", as after steep car park ramps, often the engine will briefly rev up until it realizes its even for a certain length, no matter the charge state or throttle position, and I guess that will now kick in quicker as well) .
I don't think anything was mentioned about high RPM on motorways.
Hi, I’m just in the process of new car and MG ZS Hybrid + is on my shortlist. From what you just said… will this alter the typical MPG you’d get from the car? Trying to wrap my head around exactly how the MG ZS Hybrid + system works. So when the battery drops to 40 percent it will start charging rather than currrnt 15 percent? How will this impact on fuel consumption? Still don’t completely understand the cars hybrid system and all the different modes. Can someone point be in the right direction to a good explanation.

Thanks in advance
 
Last edited:
Had update installed this morning PD052 and PD 050. PD052 is the for the issue as per Car Sauce and other reviewers. PD 050 is an update on ACC radar. Interesting that I was told that the dealerships would not install the updates until they had updated their own Demo models to insure that there were no issues as a result of the update.I will see how the car drives and put up my review later today.The dealerships in the UK have to be aware of PD052, because it has been rolled out in other regions since December.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hi, I’m just in the process of new car and MG ZS Hybrid + is on my shortlist. From what you just said… will this alter the typical MPG you’d get from the car? Trying to wrap my head around exactly how the MG ZS Hybrid + system works. So when the battery drops to 40 percent it will start charging rather than currrnt 15 percent? How will this impact on fuel consumption? Still don’t completely understand the cars hybrid system and all the different modes. Can someone point be in the right direction to a good explanation.

Thanks in advance
Technically, like most HEV, the car has several modes, driving electric, regenerating during braking, driving and charging in various combinations (drive done by low speeds by the electric engines and petrol only charging, petrol driving wheels and charging), and finally, at higher speeds, petrol only. Basically the same a Toyota Hybrid does, though the differences are in detail: the MG uses a 3 speed torque converter automatic, whilst the Toyota system uses a planetary gearbox called eCVT, that in allows for in theory infinite combinations of ICE and electric engine, though the various gearings still mean that above a certain speed, propulsion is mostly done by the petrol engine, and the electric engine whilst being able to maintain speed and accelerate a bit, is used less than in the MG (the Toyota systems also use a smaller battery); That said, the conventional gearbox limits somewhat the combination of scenarios in the MG, even though it makes for a slightly more linear driving feel at higher speeds, as revs tend to build "as we know it", something that eCVTs have often as their weakness. It is also to be noted that the gearing of the engine to gearbox means that below (i believe approx. 40ish km/h), the MG uses exclusively the electric engine to drive, either on battery or on "generator" mode. because the maximum charging the MG can do is 45kW, it also somehow limits the max power at these speeds, meaning that once the battery is empty, the car has basically 45kW at its disposal, which naturally means that starting from a hill or launching feels very sluggish. The other thing is that 3 speeds naturally mean that there are quite considerable differences in engine RPM per gear, and the power differences in every day driving filled by the electric engine and also support the ICE, and that is when it really feels powerful, which works very well as long as the battery has some charge (and the gearing allows for electric support, thus somehow the gear box occasionally hunting for gears at European motorway speeds, particularly in combination with ACC. Another difference to many Hybrids is that the MG doesn't let you go into pure EV mode at the press of a button, just when it decides to do so. Maybe this is already an acknowledgment that running the battery too low is not ideal.

That said, the current update should in theory somehow mitigate the low battery scenarios by more often charging it, thus having maybe a tiny impact on economy, though again with a lower threshold, charging happens less frequent, but then for a longer period, as the top threshold seems untouched. The bigger impact will be on the EV only range, where the MG could claim a much longer distance than any other full hybrid. And it also means, that whilst power Loss will be less of an issue, there will still be scenarios where the system will reach its limits. Just less often.

Mind you though, every hybrid system has their limits (an Alpine road with my back then Toyota Auris Hybrid also left me with some power loss after a while and mostly screaming engine, and loss of regenative mode after a while, but it was a one time scenario in 5 years of ownership), some just are a little more polished thanks to the experience of their maker. And I will also point out, that despite living in the outskirts of the Austrian alps, thus hilly region, I had so far no power loss in my ZS, just the occasional high revs, partly I guess thanks to the ICE running a lot more in winter and thus having a similar "more charging less EV range" effect that the update is supposed to give.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Technically, like most HEV, the car has several modes, driving electric, regenerating during braking, driving and charging in various combinations (drive done by low speeds by the electric engines and petrol only charging, petrol driving wheels and charging), and finally, at higher speeds, petrol only. Basically the same a Toyota Hybrid does, though the differences are in detail: the MG uses a 3 speed torque converter automatic, whilst the Toyota system uses a planetary gearbox called eCVT, that in allows for in theory infinite combinations of ICE and electric engine, though the various gearings still mean that above a certain speed, propulsion is mostly done by the petrol engine, and the electric engine whilst being able to maintain speed and accelerate a bit, is used less than in the MG (the Toyota systems also use a smaller battery); That said, the conventional gearbox limits somewhat the combination of scenarios in the MG, even though it makes for a slightly more linear driving feel at higher speeds, as revs tend to build "as we know it", something that eCVTs have often as their weakness. It is also to be noted that the gearing of the engine to gearbox means that below (i believe approx. 40ish km/h), the MG uses exclusively the electric engine to drive, either on battery or on "generator" mode. because the maximum charging the MG can do is 45kw, it also somehow limits the max power at these speeds, meaning that once the battery is empty, the car has basically 45kw at its disposal, which naturally means that starting from a hill or launching feels very sluggish. The other thing is that 3 speeds naturally mean that there are quite considerable differences in engine RPM per gear, and the power differences in every day driving filled by the electric engine and also support the ICE, and that is when it really feels powerful, which works very well as long as the battery has some charge (and the gearing allows for electric support, thus somehow the gear box occasionally hunting for gears at European motorway speeds, particularly in combination with ACC. Another difference to many Hybrids is that the MG doesn't let you go into pure EV mode at the press of a button, just when it decides to do so. Maybe this is already an acknowledgment that running the battery too low is not ideal.

That said, the current update should in theory somehow mitigate the low battery scenarios by more often charging it, thus having maybe a tiny impact on economy, though again with a lower threshold, charging happens less frequent, but then for a longer period, as the top threshold seems untouched. The bigger impact will be on the EV only range, where the MG could claim a much longer distance than any other full hybrid. And it also means, that whilst power Loss will be less of an issue, there will still be scenarios where the system will reach its limits. Just less often.

Mind you though, every hybrid system has their limits (an Alpine road with my back then Toyota Auris Hybrid also left me with some power loss after a while and mostly screaming engine, and loss of regenative mode after a while, but it was a one time scenario in 5 years of ownership), some just are a little more polished thanks to the experience of their maker. And I will also point out, that despite living in the outskirts of the Austrian alps, thus hilly region, I had so far no power loss in my ZS, just the occasional high revs, partly I guess thanks to the ICE running a lot more in winter and thus having a similar "more charging less EV range" effect that the update is supposed to give.
Thanks for the in-depth reply. Puts many of my fears to rest. Judging by where you live, can’t see me experiencing any major issues. I test drove a Toyota Yaris Cross several days ago and it wasn’t perfect. Guess no system is. Perfectly adequate for most scenarios and I’m sure the MG will be similar. Looking forward to test driving.
 
Had update installed this morning PD052 and PD 050.PD052 is the for the issue as per Car Sauce and other reviewers. PD 050 is an update on ACC radar.Interesting that I was told that the dealerships would not install the updates until they had updated their own Demo models to insure that there were no issues as a result of the update.I will see how the car drives and put up my review later today.The dealerships in the UK have to be aware of PD052 , because it has been rolled out in other regions since December.
Looking forward to your assessment after the updates. From what your saying, it’s probably not safe to assume that these updates will be installed on all car sales going forward? Best to check with individual dealer before purchase.
 
Support us by becoming a Premium Member

Latest MG EVs video

MG ZS EV Retrospective & First Look at the MGS5 EV | Live Q&A with Owners & MGEVs Panel
Subscribe to our YouTube channel
Back
Top Bottom