New Video: Most ridiculous arguments against EVs

[Bam Bam]

What do you experts think of this video listing the arguments against EVs?

 

[siteguru]

I started watching it, heard his delivery style, saw how long the video was going to be and thought "I can do better things with my time".

 

[Rolfe]

It was very pedestrian and I did the same. But then we already know all that.

 

[Bam Bam]

Cheers for the initial comments. I came back to ask if I should do a shorter edit of it.

I usually watch videos sped up myself, but perhaps I could speed this up slightly as the default as I do speak slowly. Don't know how to do that but maybe it is possible.

On reflection I suppose I'm speaking at length on each topic for the benefit of those who don't know much about EVs (apart from half-rumours picked up), but the overall format is designed to appeal to EV appreciators. Maybe I haven't judged that well.

 

[decrep]

I think you need to try it with an EV critic, and see If they are prepared to watch it through.
This forum isn't suitable for testing your purpose.
If you can get it to work, it's a well worthwhile exercise, and kudos to you for trying.
I wish you luck.

 

[T1 Terry]

Congratulations on trying to combat the fossil fuel powered nonsense.

The quick comparison is a method for shooting down the critics. The EV fire staged for trying different fire fighting methods for EVs by the Victorian fire dept, so much wasted money on using methods that worked on petrol fires, but the simple fire blanket and the fire is contained straight away ...... this makes it better for the environment, the safety of the fire fighters, cost wise and reduces the risk of one vehicle fire turning into a huge inferno .... plus the fire blanket is good for 6 uses ..... a comparison of a diesel truck fire ..... all you can do is attempt to stop the diesel going into a waterway or down a drain, then let the thing burn, you can't put out a diesel fire unless you catch it as it starts .... once the heat is enough, it's self sustaining.

The Chinese battery mandate that EV batteries must not suffer thermal runaway, when will the petroleum industry create fuel that doesn't suffer thermal runaway?

Can you refuel your car from the sun? .... at home? Very low cost or free? Can you plug your house into your ICE car and keep the fridge, CPAP, oxygen concentrator, heating system running? Sure, you could use a generator, but didn't destroy your pollution argument/ When was the last time you read about anyone being overcome by the fumes from an EV being used as an emergency power supply?

The new Na+ EV battery from CATL, uses commonly found materials, last for the equivalent of 500,000 miles and still useable for a house power storage battery after that .... can that be done with the fuel tank, pump and injectors from your ICE powerplant?

What is the manufacturers warranty on your fuel system? 8 to 10yrs? Unlimited miles? What are the comparable service costs over that 10 yrs to maintain any 10 yr warranty? What happens to the used contaminants after your ICE vehicle service?

T1 Terry

 

[Gomev]

Cheers for the initial comments. I came back to ask if I should do a shorter edit of it.

I usually watch videos sped up myself, but perhaps I could speed this up slightly as the default as I do speak slowly. Don't know how to do that but maybe it is possible.

On reflection I suppose I'm speaking at length on each topic for the benefit of those who don't know much about EVs (apart from half-rumours picked up), but the overall format is designed to appeal to EV appreciators. Maybe I haven't judged that well.

Don't forget the average attention span of some seems to have diminished to less than 10 minutes. Short and snappy is the modern way.

 

[nigel4]

One approach I liked, it might have been on fully charged, was to imagine we have evs as normal, then try and convince people to have to use ice -
- you have to drive to a petrol station to refuel?
- you have to change gears?
- when you are in traffic or braking you just waste fuel?
- whats that smell?
- graunching starter motor
- you have to run the engine to warm up the cabin & defrost?
- it takes miles for engine to warm-up, and is still less than 30% efficient?
- mining all that cobolt to remove sulphur from oil to avoid acid rain?
- you pay nasty people, who killlots of people & animals, to supply a limited, expensivly refined fuel?
- when diesel catches fire you can't put it out?
- etc


Don't try and win arguments, especially on fb-yt; show people the better way
Have fun

 

[Bam Bam]

Congratulations on trying to combat the fossil fuel powered nonsense.

The quick comparison is a method for shooting down the critics.

Thanks Terry.

You've listed lots of great arguments. I have made some of those elsewhere, but wasn't aware of the EV fire suppression successes.

One approach I liked, it might have been on fully charged, was to imagine we have evs as normal, then try and convince people to have to use ice -

Yeah I think Rory Sutherland has done that kind of thing. Absolutely agree.

Need all the strategies.

An early leaf advert was great - imagine all the everyday devices we use around the house were powered with little engines rather than batteries.

Don't try and win arguments, especially on fb-yt; show people the better way
Have fun

I was thinking a bit of mockery of how bad the remaining arguments are would be useful alongside all the usual stuff.

If people feel ridiculous doing things they generally stop doing them.

But there is the problem that people will bed-in and close down and that is what needs to be avoided.

Overall, I think we will inevitably end up with all electric vehicles, just as with everything else where the electric option is the superior product.

The economics of burning fuel vs. charging just don't make sense and people will gradually realise that.

It is just sad that people are missing out (and will make bad economic choices) because they are listening to absolute nonsense.

 

[T1 Terry]

The Hamish still use the horse and buggy, you will never see 100% EV adoption, but EV dominance will be seen in most of our lifetimes
The Rogers' adoption curve says we are still in the early adopters stage in most countries, but rapidly moving toward the early majority stage in a lot of countries, others have really taken to EV's and abandoned the ICE powerplant ...... so it's not an even shift across the planet, but as the ICE demand falls away, the cost of scale for the production of ICE power plants that meet emission standards will make them the expensive alternative ..... then the early majority will peak and the curve drop into the late majority will kick in ..... at that stage, the ICE powered vehicle will be an order and pay up front item, and take what you get, while hoping someone will still know how to maintain and repair them .....

T1 Terry

 

[nigel4]

, while hoping someone will still know how to maintain and repair them .....

T1 Terry

And hoping the extraction, refining and petrol station infrastructure remains viable (and who pays for its clean-up?)

 

[T1 Terry]

That will be the big one, getting those tanks out of the ground over here required soil samples before the concrete slab can be torn up, so core drilling through the slab and a lot of places and to pre determined depths, samples sealed in casings for lab testing .... incredibly expensive ..... so these sites become car washes and drive through burger places, used car yards .... all the time, those tanks are underground rusting away ..... then they just sit there, a vacant empty cement slab, no one will buy the land because of the costs and then potential costs in the land is contaminated, might well exceed any potential sale price for that piece of land ...... often it shuffles through shell companies, until it ends up in one that goes belly up ..... now it becomes someone else's problem ...... the fuel companies should be held responsible, close the service station, clean up the site ..... but that will never happen, the petroleum lobby has a lot of money to spend on lobbyists ....

T1 Terry