Yoke steering wheel

[tsedge]

Sorry, but this is demonstrably false. You can practice and get "used to it" as much as you like, but a yoke on a non progressive steering system, requiring multi-turns lock to lock is harder to use safely, especially in emergency manoeuvre situations. This is a fact, full stop!

This is not true. It is as easy to turn a yoke lock-to-lock as a wheel, actually easier in some respects because the hands tend to be closer together.

Yes, they look great. Yes, you can see the screens way better with one, but please stop pretending they're as easy or safe to use as a regular wheel, those who now have them and have been using them a little time will know this very well. I expect some will soon admit to this if being honest.

This is the tyranny of the status quo. We have big round wheels ONLY because cars didn't used to have power steering and it was needed for the leverage. That hasn't been true for decades.

 

[tsedge]

This can not be understated, even more so on a very high powered car. People want these for cosmetic effect, but that is the only benefit. They're under the radar due to such low numbers in use, but in the event of wider uptake of yokes on none progressive steering cars, they'd end up getting banned in western countries on safety grounds as the accident rate numbers would be way higher than the norm.

I fully expect a user here to come back to us ruing the day they fitted one at some future point after experiencing an emergency situation where the yoke seriously compromised their safety. (As a previous Tesla driver who used to hang around US Tesla forums, I've already seen it!)

Strange.

- You mind read that people only want yokes for looks.

- You magically know lack of evidence is because they are "under the radar" due to the low numbers.

- You can somehow predict future laws and other user's experiences.

Yet you present no evidence?

 

[Paulie68]

This is not true. It is as easy to turn a yoke lock-to-lock as a wheel, actually easier in some respects because the hands tend to be closer together.

This is the tyranny of the status quo. We have big round wheels ONLY because cars didn't used to have power steering and it was needed for the leverage. That hasn't been true for decades.

Car steering wheels are nowhere near as big as they used to be already! You are not meant to cross over your arms when steering, in order to maintain full control. Doing so will also fail your driving test. It is literally impossible to use a yoke when steering without doing so!

We will have to agree to disagree over the yoke safety, I'm pretty sure your opinion that it's just as safe is a small minority view.

 

[Paulie68]

Strange.

- You mind read that people only want yokes for looks.

- You magically know lack of evidence is because they are "under the radar" due to the low numbers.

- You can somehow predict future laws and other user's experiences.

Yet you present no evidence?

I don't mind what people do with their own cars, or why they might want a yoke, as long as it doesn't put me at risk.

My opinion is it should be blatantly obvious that driving with a yoke is inferior to a wheel on multi lock to lock steering, especially on roundabout use. Go and try it for yourself with your current car, drive through a town and navigate a few roundabouts, whilst only holding the wheel at quarter to three position and only using the lower 50% of your wheel whenever steering.

Some things can't be improved. You'll be arguing hexagonal road wheels can be just as good as round ones next!

 

[Paulie68]

I learned at driving school that it's best to hold the steering wheel at the 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock positions. But there's nothing there on a Yoke steering wheel! The 9 o'clock/3 o'clock position would be an alternative, but there's the spoke and I can't get a proper grip there either. I definitely see that as a problem and share the doubts of the previous speakers. I will definitely not be buying a steering wheel like this.


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Same here, I prefer the 10 & 2 position, but latterly the official teaching has changed to the 9 & 3 position, due to airbag safety concerns.

 

[tsedge]

Car steering wheels are nowhere near as big as they used to be already! You are not meant to cross over your arms when steering, in order to maintain full control. Doing so will also fail your driving test. It is literally impossible to use a yoke when steering without doing so!

This is an urban myth about the driving test.

We will have to agree to disagree over the yoke safety, I'm pretty sure your opinion that it's just as safe is a small minority view.

Yes. I thought we had agreed to disagree already.

Ah, I am a small minority! Thank you for labelling me. I won't return the favour.

 

[tsedge]

I don't mind what people do with their own cars, or why they might want a yoke, as long as it doesn't put me at risk.

You do seem to care an awful lot!

My opinion is it should be blatantly obvious that driving with a yoke is inferior to a wheel on multi lock to lock steering, especially on roundabout use. Go and try it for yourself with your current car, drive through a town and navigate a few roundabouts, whilst only holding the wheel at quarter to three position and only using the lower 50% of your wheel whenever steering.

We have been over this: yes, until you adapt it feels strange and awkward. So this would not prove anything.

Some things can't be improved. You'll be arguing hexagonal road wheels can be just as good as round ones next!

Ah, now you're rubbishing things I never said, what a fantastically compelling argument.

I won't respond further on this, we are getting nowhere.

 

[Paulie68]

This is an urban myth about the driving test.

Yes. I thought we had agreed to disagree already.

You might be right, but crossing arms is really bad practice.

We had, but then you continued to disagree, lol!!

 

[Paulie68]

You do seem to care an awful lot!

We have been over this: yes, until you adapt it feels strange and awkward. So this would not prove anything.

Ah, now you're rubbishing things I never said, what a fantastically compelling argument.

I won't respond further on this, we are getting nowhere.

Agreed.

 

[tsedge]

You might be right, but crossing arms is really bad practice.

We had, but then you continued to disagree, lol!!

Not with you, I was responding to others!

 

[GranTurismoEra]

You might be right, but crossing arms is really bad practice.

We had, but then you continued to disagree, lol!!

It was a fault on test over a decade ago and when i took my test. Not anymore apparently.

Just browsing Autotrader can see that the RS3 has progressive steering post 2022 facelift. Maybe something for MG to consider if theyre going to offer Yoke in other markets

 

[m0rph]

I think both standard and yoke steering wheels are dangerous, as I can't steer with my knee/thigh when my hands are temporarily busy doing more important stuff than steering (pun intended, but reality). The flat bottom combined with the metal part make this almost impossible.