MG ZS EV Shipping Updates

[Bodgerx]

So December is clearly just another random stab in the dark. Email from MG:
Thank you for your email.



Your vehicle order status is currently ‘shortage awaiting build’.



Unfortunately, until production is confirmed, we cannot provide an exact delivery date.



We would like to let you know that there has been a high demand on the model, and the delivery lead time set initially for all vehicle orders was around 4-6 months on the system, however, this would be subject to change, due to a number of factors considered, ie. logistic challenge, global chip issue, current order queue, etc.

We are truly sorry for any inconvenience this has caused, but it is best to continue to liaise with your purchasing dealer for delivery updates.

Same here, and yet we have people on here fantasising about the contents of ships…

 

[Bodgerx]

They are being built though; 24% of orders fulfilled and the frequency of people receiving news theirs is built is increasing slowly. Plus those emails from MG UK need to be taken with a pinch of salt. A lot have been told it’s not been built and then received the car shortly thereafter. It’s seems China aren’t great at updating the system, so neither MG customer service nor the dealer know it’s coming and can give accurate updates.

This is why I haven’t asked for my MG order number as I doubt the information they provide will be any different from what my dealer can see and tell me.

I like your optimism!

 

[daverobbo]

Just dropped my Kia Niro off at the dealership for a minor repair. Their salesman said 3 month wait for the new Niro EV. He also said that all manufacturers are prioritising retail sales over fleet....mobility, no chance.

 

[MrsPee]

I rang Tusker yesterday asking for a status update on my LRTC in white, ordered 28th Jan. Got this reply. Speculate away!

"They have advised that the vehicle is at the status 'Manufacturer Country' and they are expecting to receive the vehicle towards the end of October and are still anticipating delivery to yourself for late October.

Unfortunately they have not been able to provide us with further information than this but will update us as soon as they receive a new update in which case we will of course keep you informed."

 

[Bodgerx]

Just dropped my Kia Niro off at the dealership for a minor repair. Their salesman said 3 month wait for the new Niro EV. He also said that all manufacturers are prioritising retail sales over fleet....mobility, no chance.

I don't understand the reasoning on that really.

If Tusker lease orders are under that category of 'fleet' then they aren't block ordering. They are just using dealers to fulfill orders as they come in, it's just another customer. Why de-prioritise it?

Technically I'm not sure if lease orders come under that fleet category anyway.

Regardless, for comparison, when I ordered my Hyundai Ioniq 38kwh in January 2020 near the start of the pandemic, I was quoted 5 months wait. Pandemic kicks in and one factory shut down later, and it arrived in the quoted 5 months. No shenanigans with fleet priorities, block orders, dealers flogging cars to other customers and deliveries taking double the estimates.

Facts are there were chip shortages and issues back in January when I ordered, so these issues weren't new to MG.

 

[daverobbo]

I don't understand the reasoning on that really.

If Tusker lease orders are under that category of 'fleet' then they aren't block ordering. They are just using dealers to fulfill orders as they come in, it's just another customer. Why de-prioritise it?

Technically I'm not sure if lease orders come under that fleet category anyway.

Regardless, for comparison, when I ordered my Hyundai Ioniq 38kwh in January 2020 near the start of the pandemic, I was quoted 5 months wait. Pandemic kicks in and one factory shut down later, and it arrived in the quoted 5 months. No shenanigans with fleet priorities, block orders, dealers flogging cars to other customers and deliveries taking double the estimates.

Facts are there were chip shortages and issues back in January when I ordered, so these issues weren't new to MG.

He confirmed that margins are higher for retail orders

 

[JSAND59]

I don't understand the reasoning on that really.

If Tusker lease orders are under that category of 'fleet' then they aren't block ordering. They are just using dealers to fulfill orders as they come in, it's just another customer. Why de-prioritise it?

Technically I'm not sure if lease orders come under that fleet category anyway.

Regardless, for comparison, when I ordered my Hyundai Ioniq 38kwh in January 2020 near the start of the pandemic, I was quoted 5 months wait. Pandemic kicks in and one factory shut down later, and it arrived in the quoted 5 months. No shenanigans with fleet priorities, block orders, dealers flogging cars to other customers and deliveries taking double the estimates.

Facts are there were chip shortages and issues back in January when I ordered, so these issues weren't new to MG.

My understanding:-
Lease companies negotiate discounts - this year I am going to buy 100 cars - how much discount. And then after supply the car is delivered and never seen again.
Private buyer. Give no discount and then make money on service / warranty work over the next few years.
Dealers are not selling enough cars so they need to make as much money as they can on the cars they get.

To be honest in your shoes I would have cancelled months ago. Understand that you are waiting for a Short Range. A few months ago MG UK had spare stock - advert on this forum to say 60 stock Short Range cars - various colours and specs and it was not just one dealer that were given some to sell. My small dealer on the Isle of Wight has had a few Short Range cars supplied now. At no point did they consider honouring your order. It is just no way to treat customers.

Test driving the Citroen C4 this weekend.

 

[Bodgerx]

He confirmed that margins are higher for retail orders

I think that basically confirms dealers motivations on others issues as well - such as selling cars on open market when they come into a batch, rather than supplying waiting customers - they can get more.

I think anyone that isn't a customer that's bought direct better settle in for a long, long ride ahead.

If I get an opportunity to dump my order over the next few months, I will do that in a heartbeat.

 

[MichaelJHunt]

I think that basically confirms dealers motivations on others issues as well - such as selling cars on open market when they come into a batch, rather than supplying waiting customers - they can get more.

I think anyone that isn't a customer that's bought direct better settle in for a long, long ride ahead.

If I get an opportunity to dump my order over the next few months, I will do that in a heartbeat.

I got my LR for a good price and The Motorway are offering me more for it after 6 months with 10,000 miles on it.

The shortage of all EVs is keeping the price very high for used cars.

 

[Bodgerx]

My understanding:-
Lease companies negotiate discounts - this year I am going to buy 100 cars - how much discount. And then after supply the car is delivered and never seen again.
Private buyer. Give no discount and then make money on service / warranty work over the next few years.
Dealers are not selling enough cars so they need to make as much money as they can on the cars they get.

To be honest in your shoes I would have cancelled months ago. Understand that you are waiting for a Short Range. A few months ago MG UK had spare stock - advert on this forum to say 60 stock Short Range cars - various colours and specs and it was not just one dealer that were given some to sell. My small dealer on the Isle of Wight has had a few Short Range cars supplied now. At no point did they consider honouring your order. It is just no way to treat customers.

Test driving the Citroen C4 this weekend.

I don't think they can bulk order though.

Mine is through a salary sacrifice scheme and the lease company has no way of knowing how many orders they will get for a car type.

Mine was ordered through a specific dealer and I have an MG order number like anyone else. So it isn't as if I'm part of a huge pool of block orders. I'm in a queue from the date of order.

If there were equivalent competitive deals out there I would have cancelled a long time ago believe me.

 

[Harry 17]

I think that basically confirms dealers motivations on others issues as well - such as selling cars on open market when they come into a batch, rather than supplying waiting customers - they can get more.

I think anyone that isn't a customer that's bought direct better settle in for a long, long ride ahead.

If I get an opportunity to dump my order over the next few months, I will do that in a heartbeat.

Would pre-ordering an MG4 on say PCP direct through a dealer be something to consider?

In my experience, I did look at Tusker for a MG ZS LRT under a salary sacrifice scheme. Figures were acceptable, until I started looking into the sacrifice part for pension payments. It may only have been £38 per month, but then I thought that it could be that my employer will also pay £38 per month less in to my pot. In any case, i felt the pension sum was an issue to me, and even was looking into increasing my AVC by the same amount, to make up the short fall.

when i broke down the figures, and due to finance discount of £1500.00, a relatively small APR of 6.9%, I was only around £20.00 a month worse off under PCP. Less if I increased my deposit, which I will do. I did not get the grant, but seeing on here, many customers may well lose the grant anyway. Plus I would have equity at the end of the deal.

I am now looking at definitely changing my order for an MG4 LRT. This is currently four grand cheapest than the ZS (this is providing the finance company again offers £1500 discount, and I manage to Get 6.9% APR again). Once this is confirmed , I will be making the switch.

 

[jj12]

That’s better than my news - happy for you.

My order number is is just over 73000 so by deduction 23000 MG cars were sold between 9th December and 6th January ?

Hi, I'm on the IOW too, my order number is just over 48000...still waiting!

 

[NickHeynes]

Would pre-ordering an MG4 on say PCP direct through a dealer be something to consider?

In my experience, I did look at Tusker for a MG ZS LRT under a salary sacrifice scheme. Figures were acceptable, until I started looking into the sacrifice part for pension payments. It may only have been £38 per month, but then I thought that it could be that my employer will also pay £38 per month less in to my pot. In any case, i felt the pension sum was an issue to me, and even was looking into increasing my AVC by the same amount, to make up the short fall.

when i broke down the figures, and due to finance discount of £1500.00, a relatively small APR of 6.9%, I was only around £20.00 a month worse off under PCP. Less if I increased my deposit, which I will do. I did not get the grant, but seeing on here, many customers may well lose the grant anyway. Plus I would have equity at the end of the deal.

I am now looking at definitely changing my order for an MG4 LRT. This is currently four grand cheapest than the ZS (this is providing the finance company again offers £1500 discount, and I manage to Get 6.9% APR again). Once this is confirmed , I will be making the switch.

Can I ask, Did the £1500 contribute to your deposit? What was the size of your deposit?
I'm just asking to see if it might be worth me changing from a lease to a PCP.

 

[Harry 17]

Can I ask, Did the £1500 contribute to your deposit? What was the size of your deposit?
I'm just asking to see if it might be worth me changing from a lease to a PCP.

The 1500 was in addition to my deposit. Initially put down £500 deposit, with a further minimum of £1500 ( to get within 20 pm of my then Tusker quote) when the car arrives. intention is put a total deposit down of £3500 (in addition to finance discount) to get much below tusker quote. Term is 48 months though, but 2.5k miles more power month to give me some wiggle room (Tusker quote at the time was 7.5K miles) currently gone for 10K miles.

Edit: I was not required to put anymore than £500.00 deposit - I just wanted to lessen my monthly payments and ultimately save on Interest charges).

 

[JSAND59]

Hi, I'm on the IOW too, my order number is just over 48000...still waiting!

Hi, I am with Westridge in Ryde. Assume you are with Premier in Newport?

 

[NickHeynes]

The 1500 was in addition to my deposit. Initially put down £500 deposit, with a further minimum of £1500 ( to get within 20 pm of my then Tusker quote) when the car arrives. intention is put a total deposit down of £3500 (in addition to finance discount) to get below tusker quote. Term is 48 months though, but 2.5k miles more power month to give me some wiggle room (Tuskegee quote at the time was 7.5K milEd, currently 10K miles.

Get it ,
PCP's aren't normally great for me as I do relatively high mileage. Plus I don't like the idea of large deposits as I have found in the past deposits have had to increase over time to keep in line with price increases. Lack of equity in the existing car to use as all or part of the deposit next time around would mean another cash injection from me to keeps payments similar. Current demand might be changing that but, that business model can't be sustained.
My existing lease on a Seat Arona FR sport DSG was 1+36 @ £245/month 15kpa . I have friends in the trade and no one could get anywhere near that. Unfortunately my friends cant help now either!
On the other hand my wife has her cars (fiat 500's) on pcp for the last 12 years and in that time had 5 cars and her payments have actually decreased with no cash input from us other than a £500 deposit from us. She only does 4 kpa and drives auto so there is always a high demand for her car as used stock.
However now that Fiat have stopped making ICE 500 auto's it'll be back to the drawing board when it's time to change again.

 

[Harry 17]

Get it ,
PCP's aren't normally great for me as I do relatively high mileage. Plus I don't like the idea of large deposits as I have found in the past deposits have had to increase over time to keep in line with price increases. Lack of equity in the existing car to use as all or part of the deposit next time around would mean another cash injection from me to keeps payments similar. Current demand might be changing that but, that business model can't be sustained.
My existing lease on a Seat Arona FR sport DSG was 1+36 @ £245/month 15kpa . I have friends in the trade and no one could get anywhere near that. Unfortunately my friends cant help now either!
On the other hand my wife has her cars (fiat 500's) on pcp for the last 12 years and in that time had 5 cars and her payments have actually decreased with no cash input from us other than a £500 deposit from us. She only does 4 kpa and drives auto so there is always a high demand for her car as used stock.
However now that Fiat have stopped making ICE 500 auto's it'll be back to the drawing board when it's time to change again.

Yep, is a strange one to fathom and needs to be tailored to each individual case.

For me I win hands down as the mileage rate from my company under Sal-Sac would have been 10p per business mile. Whereas “buy my car” under PCP, I can claim 45pence per business mile.

I have Leased a car for work for over 11 years, always been great (esp with no deposit) up until this years quotes for a renewal in January next year.

For me the figures work out better, plus I intend to purchase the car at the end of this PCP agreement.

Horses for courses I Guess.

 

[DrJohnny Fever]

Why haven’t I got my car yet, as if it can go wrong it’ll go wrong…first I had the battery issue on the Merc, (still have) so I’ve be using the Porsche and now, the water pump has gone on that..guess that won’t be cheap..I know a battery for the Merc is £250 plus fitting and whatever is draining the battery, we think it’s the alternator, how ever much that is, the cost of the electrical guy to see what the problem is (great for a car I’m part chopping with MG) and now how every much a water pump and fitting that for the Porsche…all good fun..you don’t care do you, I can tell..

 

[Harry 17]

Why haven’t I got my car yet, as if it can go wrong it’ll go wrong…first I had the battery issue on the Merc, (still have) so I’ve be using the Porsche and now, the water pump has gone on that..guess that won’t be cheap..I know a battery for the Merc is £250 plus fitting and whatever is draining the battery, we think it’s the alternator, how ever much that is, the cost of the electrical guy to see what the problem is (great for a car I’m part chopping with MG) and now how every much a water pump and fitting that for the Porsche…all good fun..you don’t care do you, I can tell..

Doesn’t matter if we care or not! It is always great to vent!!

 

[Kieron6397]

My vehicle order is now showing on the system as "reserved". Does anyone know what that means? Is it reserved to be shipped or already in the UK?