What would make public charging better for you..?

I'm even quicker. Sunday morning with a coffee and a couple of biscuits sat at home ordering online. Shopping delivered Tuesday morning. Cost per delivery with an annual subscription 76p.
Doesn’t work for me because the substitutions they make are insane, and then I have to go to a different one to get it any way. I cook everything from scratch because it’s a hobby I use to de-stress after work so I order a lot of things that aren’t super common.
 
True but in my experience supermarkets just put 7kw chargers in and call it done. I'm never in there long enough for it to be worth it. Should be at least 100kw at supermarkets.
Instavolt have installed 150 and 350kw rapids by a Tesco express by me Morrisons quite often have a 50kw Genie Point, I use the one at Bridlington when I visit my old man. Tesco and Sainsburys by me have ....... bugger all.
 
Instavolt have installed 150 and 350kw rapids by a Tesco express by me Morrisons quite often have a 50kw Genie Point, I use the one at Bridlington when I visit my old man. Tesco and Sainsburys by me have ....... bugger all.
You need a loan for Instavolt - they're a total rip off. My car never charges fast enough at their chargers for it to be worth it either.
 
True but in my experience supermarkets just put 7kw chargers in and call it done. I'm never in there long enough for it to be worth it. Should be at least 100kw at supermarkets.
There's a place for 100kW at supermarkets -- for people using it as a service station. Say, you're driving from the East Midlands to a holiday cottage in West Wales; stop in Leominster Morrisons on 20% charge, charge it up to 80% while you use the loo and quickly buy some groceries for the holiday. If you have a meal in the cafe too, a 50kW charger would do.

But most supermarket users are local, and have driven 10 miles or less. Probably 5 miles or less. If your charge exceeds what it takes to drive there and back, you're up overall - and even half an hour on 7kW will achieve that. For many people, if they could just charge little-and-often like this, they'd never run out of charge. I really think ubiquitous 7kW charging at destinations like supermarkets, really any destination with parking, is the long-term solution for people who can't charge at home.

(Yeah, sometimes you do a shorter shop - but generally the further you've driven, the more likely it is that it'll be a "big shop" that takes longer)

Key to this, is that we'll need some confidence that a charger will be available. And we should feel no pressure to rush back and vacate a 7kW bay. So there need to be lots and lots of them. I would rather there were lots of them and they charge more slowly when there's contention, than that I can't leave my car plugged in.

More unlikely, but still on my wishlist,

  1. plug-and-charge on these 7kW chargers -- plug in and walk away; the system can identify the car and know what account to debit.
  2. smart selection of charging rate and pricing -- let me (or an algorithm I control) tell the charging system how badly I want charge - ranging from "gimme as much as you can, I'll pay", to "I'll take what's available if it's cheap". The system would then apportion the available supply between the cars plugged in at that site, according to what they've requested and how much they're willing to pay.

You need a loan for Instavolt - they're a total rip off. My car never charges fast enough at their chargers for it to be worth it either.
I have been in a classic "opportunistic charge" situation, and chosen not to, because Instavolt cost so much. Halfway through a 150 mile journey, knew there would be no charger at the destination, so I'd need to charge for the return journey. Stopped at a diner, there was an Instavolt rapid in the car park. Looked at the price, decided against.

But since then, I've changed my approach -- I now say, my day-to-day charging is so cheap, I rapid-charge so seldom, I might as well pay whatever silly price for the sake of convenience.

But, surely in the next couple of years, chargers will become dense enough that competitive pressure will push prices down?

I have been in a classic "opportunistic charge" situation, and chosen not to, because Instavolt cost so much. Halfway through a 150 mile journey, knew there would be no charger at the destination, so I'd need to charge for the return journey. Stopped at a diner, there was an Instavolt rapid in the car park. Looked at the price, decided against.

To add, this was a pretty unsatisfactory decision-making process. Arrived at car park, noticed the charger, parked in the bay. No prices displayed that I could see. Thought "I'll just check the price on ZapMap". Decided to move to a different parking space.

You ought to be able to see the basic price (before membership discounts etc.) without resorting to a device, without leaving the car, before you choose where to park.
 
I'm not having a meal in a supermarket when doing my weekly shop, why would I eat in a supermarket cafe when it's worse than I can make at home for less money? It would just be nice to top the car up while it's out. I don't think I've been in a supermarket for more than 30 minutes in my life. Our local Tesco only has 7kw Podpoint and it's the most useless thing ever, there's nothing else going there for other than the Tesco or the nearby charity shops and a Subway. Literally no thought has gone into it, merely a box-ticking exercise so they can say "x number of stores have EV charging". Especially when they have signs saying you can't be parked for more than 2-3 hours without incurring a parking ticket.

For food shopping I want to be in and out as fast as possible commando style - I've got my list, I know what I need, in-out done!

Our Sainsbury's doesn't have any yet and the Gridserve 100+kw ones next door at Aldi have been disabled for well over two months now.

Correct - our local city centre car park has loads of 7kw BP Pulse which is fine because it's right next to the Everyman cinema.
Nobody's forcing you to use them, if it doesn't suit your quick dash style of shopping then don't.
I don't use them either if I'm just doing a quick shop in the supermarket, only if I'm going for my breakfast and a bit more shopping in the town, sometimes for a couple of hours.
 
Nobody's forcing you to use them, if it doesn't suit your quick dash style of shopping then don't.
I don't use them either if I'm just doing a quick shop in the supermarket, only if I'm going for my breakfast and a bit more shopping in the town, sometimes for a couple of hours.
Missing the point. I'm saying they should be 100kw for the use case of giving the car and quick top up when doing the weekly shop.

I'm aware I'm not forced to use them - by why would I when I can charge at the same speed at home for less money? Seems pointless to have a massive out of town supermarket on its own with nothing nearby with 7kw chargers and a limit to the time you can spend there. Do you see why I think it's moronic?
 
Missing the point. I'm saying they should be 100kw for the use case of giving the car and quick top up when doing the weekly shop.
I totally agree, but what I meant was that a 7kW charger is better than nothing if you need a top up just to eke out that extra few miles to get to the next "proper" charger. 😉 (y)
 
Missing the point. I'm saying they should be 100kw for the use case of giving the car and quick top up when doing the weekly shop.

I'm aware I'm not forced to use them - by why would I when I can charge at the same speed at home for less money? Seems pointless to have a massive out of town supermarket on its own with nothing nearby with 7kw chargers and a limit to the time you can spend there. Do you see why I think it's moronic?
If you can charge at home, why would you charge at your local supermarket at all? You just wouldn't.

So rapid chargers at supermarkets might be for visitors from further away - and those people are fewer, so you need a couple of 100kW+ posts for them, and lots of cheaper 7kW posts for locals who don't have home charging. Again, it's enough to replace the energy you used to get there, and will use to get home.
 
If you can charge at home, why would you charge at your local supermarket at all? You just wouldn't.

So rapid chargers at supermarkets might be for visitors from further away - and those people are fewer, so you need a couple of 100kW+ posts for them, and lots of cheaper 7kW posts for locals who don't have home charging. Again, it's enough to replace the energy you used to get there, and will use to get home.
Problem being that supermarkets have time limits on cars and fines for those that exceed them (usually 2 hrs). Given that they have chargers to attract customers, the case for rapid chargers make much more sense. They will have to be persuaded that fast chargers being used for long periods of time and clogging up their car parks are good for business.
 
If you can charge at home, why would you charge at your local supermarket at all? You just wouldn't.

So rapid chargers at supermarkets might be for visitors from further away - and those people are fewer, so you need a couple of 100kW+ posts for them, and lots of cheaper 7kW posts for locals who don't have home charging. Again, it's enough to replace the energy you used to get there, and will use to get home.
Lincolnshire. It's miles to a supermarket and sometimes it's out of convenience. We don't all live in cities - why would I have a 430bhp car in a city?
 
Problem being that supermarkets have time limits on cars and fines for those that exceed them (usually 2 hrs). Given that they have chargers to attract customers, the case for rapid chargers make much more sense. They will have to be persuaded that fast chargers being used for long periods of time and clogging up their car parks are good for business.
I think a lot of us are stuck in an ICE-hangover mindset of "got to fill up", and of going somewhere specifically to charge. Then in EV world, that translates to going somewhere specifically to charge, and needing something to pass the time while the charge happens.

We need to mature past this in two ways.

One is, don't go somewhere for the purpose of charging. Instead, when you're somewhere with a charger, charge.

The other is, sipping is fine. If you left home on 50%, reach the supermarket on 48%, leave the supermarket on 54% having charged while shopping, and get home with 52%, you're up overall. If you sip wherever you go, sometimes you'll be up, sometimes down, but you could be fluctuating between 30% and 80% for months without ever running out.

For this to be practical, we do need destination chargers in more places than we have them now.

The lifestyle is then -- for people who don't charge at home -- "I used to have to go to the petrol station every couple of weeks. Now I never go out of my way, I just plug in at the places I was going to park anyway."
 
Lincolnshire. It's miles to a supermarket and sometimes it's out of convenience. We don't all live in cities - why would I have a 430bhp car in a city?

How many miles? 5 miles? Then 15 minutes charge will replenish it. 10 miles or more? Are you really driving for 20+ minutes for 15 minutes in the shop?
 
Why not go half as often, buy twice as much?
I love cooking it's how I de-stress. And I buy and use a lot of fresh food. What else I am going to do? Sit at home even more? I already work from home.

Driving is fine here - there's no traffic and the roads are nice. I don't see the problem.

You're not going to 'solve' this - it's where I live and I like it.
 
I love cooking it's how I de-stress. And I buy and use a lot of fresh food. What else I am going to do? Sit at home even more? I already work from home.

Driving is fine here - there's no traffic and the roads are nice. I don't see the problem.

You're not going to 'solve' this - it's where I live and I like it.
But also you charge at home (I think you said), so...
 
Obviously more public chargers would benefit everyone but I like the experience overall ok it takes a bit longer granted but you meet lots of different people chat about your ev experiences how good is your car there car I don’t ever remember chatting to anyone at the petrol pumps.
 
I mean, next question is why? You must really love driving...

Why not go half as often, buy twice as much?
Or do it my way - go three or four times as often to a different store each time just to escape - for a drive. I tend to use Tesco but have lately visited Linlithgow, Callander, Galashiels, Dundee, Silverburn (Glasgow) Dunfermline, Oban, Banchory, Edinburgh, Camelon (Falkirk). Only Oban and Banchory really need top- up stops but Oban has chargers on site and there’s a bunch of very good cafés near chargers in Brechin en- route to Banchory.
I don’t really make a meticulous shopping lists and usually remember what I really desperately needed on the way home so that’s tomorrow’s jaunt sorted 👌
 

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