Battery Heating Always on?

Bubs

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Today was the first day that temperatures dropped to about 2 degrees in the morning. I've been noticing the expected range drop off a lot as the winter approached. Going from the 400+km in Summer to now being in the 300+km bracket.

On the school run this morning, I thought to turn on the battery heating setting. I've no idea what it does but presumed it heats the battery :)

I set off with 222km range, did a 20km round trip and ended up back at home with 230 km range !

The heating did help to extend the range. But I would have expected the car to control the battery temperature as you drove around anyway. But clearly, this extra heating did help.

My question is should I leave it set to always on for the winter? And is "always on" only referring to when the car is on? It's not on now while it is parked out front and draining the battery?
 
Sat into the car and the always on had turned itself off. So I guess it's not always on and has to be switched on every time you start the car.

At least the app update lets me schedule the battery heating for an hour before I leave home.

Will see how that goes tomorrow.
 
These are worth a read:


This post and thread are also interesting:
Last night, myself and Jake @MG ZS EV WEST YORKSHIRE took the Chorley Group Burnley demonstrator on a journey to test the real-world rapid charging capabilities.

I picked up Jake around 7pm from Oakworth, and we headed to the Ionity chargers at Leeds Skelton Lake Services. I used the "Battery Heater" option to ensure that we had warm batteries on arrival. This appears to use around 7kW (20A@360V) at peak, although once the batteries had heated up (after 40 mins), the battery heaters automatically switched off.

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On the way there, the "Low Battery Warning, Please Charge" message came up at 24% (46 miles indicated) remaining.

Unfortunately, when we arrived there just after 8pm, there were 4 cars charging (2 Porsche Taycans, and MG5, and a DPD delivery van, with 2 other DPD drivers queuing to use them. Faced with a potential delay of over an hour (the DPD vans needed 90%+ to be able to do their deliveries the next day), we checked on Zap-Map, and found there were some 100kW+ Instavolt Rapid Chargers in Barnsley, 26 miles away.

We had 15% battery.... and it was mainly motorway, but were showing 30 miles range on the GoM, so figured we might as well go for it.

At 14% (24 miles remaining), another "Low State of Charge, Please Charge" warning came up on the dashboard.

At 7%, the GoM went to "---", and power was restricted - we were on the M1 going up a hill past Woolley Edge services, and our speed (with foot flat to the floor) wouldn't exceed 50mph. We started to get a little bit nervous. We decided to come off the M1 at the next junction, and go on the A/B roads to Barnsley, as we didn't want to be a hazard for anyone.

We finally got to the chargers (next to McDonalds) with 3% battery remaining. Thankfully, the chargers were both available and working (not ICEd).

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We started the charge, and recorded the Amps & Volts from inside the car, to calculate the charging power. The charge was started at 20:56 (nice round number... should have waited a few minutes I guess!).
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Initially, the charge started quite slowly, as the charger and car decided what power was best. At 4%, it was delivering 181A @344V (61kW). By 6%, the current had increased to 200A, where it stayed fairly consistently (did drop to 199A for a bit) until it got to 60% SoC. As the battery voltage rose, so the total kW increased, peaking at 76kW at 59/60% SoC.

From 61-71%, it continued at 179/180A, then from 72% it dropped to 151A, where it remained until 82%. At 83% (21:41 - 45 minutes after we started), it then dropped off quite quickly to 67A, stepping down to 61A by 89%. At 90% it dropped to 52A, and at 91% it was at 40A@403V (16kW). This is where we decided to disconnect the charger (it was 21:56, so exactly one hour from when we started).

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For reference, it got to 22% after 10 minutes, 41% after 20 mins, 58% after 30 mins, and 83% after 45 mins. This compares very favourably to MG's own stated charge times of 42 minutes to 80% when using a 100kW rapid charger.

Graphs showing the Volts/Amps, and then the calculated kW Power are below:

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In conclusion, the new ZS EV has a great charging curve, where it draws 70kW+ from 7% to 60%, and then maintains 60kW+ up to 80% SoC. The battery heater works well (but bear in mind that the heater will draw up to 7kW, so if you're already low on power, you're going to lose another 20-30 miles of range by using the battery heater). It decimates your efficiency - whilst it was working, I was getting 1.5-2m/kWh rather than 3m/kWh!

The battery heater switches itself off when you turn the car off, so it's not something you can accidentally leave switched on and drain all the battery - you need to actively turn it on for each journey.

I would not recommend running the car down below 10% SoC. The charging speed doesn't benefit, and the reduced power (particularly on a motorway) is not a pleasant experience. It might not be too bad around an urban environment, but hills become an issue when it's limiting you to around 25kW (33bhp!). We struggled up a hill in Barnsley town centre with foot flat to the floor, and scraping to 24mph.

We've got loads of photos etc, but I don't want to make this any more difficult to read than it already is :LOL:

I've added my excel sheet with the values for Volts/Amps that we saw.
 
On the Gen 1, it's always on (auto) ISTR it comes on if the temperature is below 10 deg C.
 
Apparently it does but there's no way to access it.

Didn't former owner Mike(?) have this switched on as a bit of a test in the gen1? I think there were something like 2 people in the UK who had this if memory serves (it quite often doesn't!).
 
Today was the first day that temperatures dropped to about 2 degrees in the morning. I've been noticing the expected range drop off a lot as the winter approached. Going from the 400+km in Summer to now being in the 300+km bracket.

On the school run this morning, I thought to turn on the battery heating setting. I've no idea what it does but presumed it heats the battery :)

I set off with 222km range, did a 20km round trip and ended up back at home with 230 km range !

The heating did help to extend the range. But I would have expected the car to control the battery temperature as you drove around anyway. But clearly, this extra heating did help.

My question is should I leave it set to always on for the winter? And is "always on" only referring to when the car is on? It's not on now while it is parked out front and draining the battery?
I have just collected my new ZS EV can I ask how you turn on the battery heater please ?
 
I have just collected my new ZS EV can I ask how you turn on the battery heater please ?
I’ve just come across your question while browsing, so this might no longer be relevant. Just in case it’s helpful, here’s the answer for the pre-Facelift MG5 Long Range. On the Home Screen, select Car on the horizontal menu at bottom of screen, then Battery on the vertical menu on the left of the next screen, and now you’ve got a toggle switch to turn battery heating on or off. The owner’s manual, needless to say, keeps this info a closely-guarded secret!
 
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