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tsedge said:
Whether they are unnecessarily complex or not (which is a fair point, you may well be right), this is how it is and I don't think it will change.

Naturally I am saying you far exceed the average in whichever direction you'd be most happy with.
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In general again I agree with your assessment ,but we can still bring it up as an issue to let the manufactures know we are on to them. The EU have brought in regs to insure all products sold in the EU are repairable and not just thrown away. It does not state if they should be easily repairable or by whom , but we live in hope.
I,ll still stick with my theory that many of the design decisions made in the cars we buy are to give future work to franchised dealers workshops . You can see their point , but it limits, our the customers choices , so much for competition.
I,ve been on cloud 9 with your average comment, but then I looked in the mirror, doh!
 
I bought my ZE EV outright last year - and originally planned to keep it 10+ years as most of my previous cars.

With the fast pace of technology and potential issues beyond the warranty - I now think I wouldn't keep mine beyond 6 years - leaving 1 year warranty left for the next owner to take it on with some reassurance.

Out of warranty, I think these cars will likely depreciate more rapidly due to the uncertainty.

Even if the car falls apart after 10 years due to some expensive electronic component, you're still sitting on a lot of battery power - for example: enough to run a home for a few days - so there will always be some value in these cars to somebody.

Mind you - I only bought it new due to inflated 2nd hand market and the lack of affordable EV choices - in 5 years time that will be very different. By then I will probably buy a 2-3 year old EV that doesn't even exist today.
 
stevegus said:
To simply for you:

MG warranty states they will REPAIR or replace the battery. This answers your expectations that a new battery is installed if the battery has an issue.

It isnt the stated case in the WARRANTY statement
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I don't think the attitude is warranted :rolleyes:

I was talking about what a manufacturer will do outside of warranty period. E.g. after 10 years when you have an issue with a battery. They will choose the most beneficial option for themselves. Inside of warranty that may well be a repair or refurb. But outside of warranty that will be a straight replacement.

Another member posted that there are a handful of 3rd parties completing repairs. But they are currently few. Hopefully this expands as demand increases.
 
OriginalBigAl said:
In general again I agree with your assessment ,but we can still bring it up as an issue to let the manufactures know we are on to them. The EU have brought in regs to insure all products sold in the EU are repairable and not just thrown away. It does not state if they should be easily repairable or by whom , but we live in hope.
I,ll still stick with my theory that many of the design decisions made in the cars we buy are to give future work to franchised dealers workshops . You can see their point , but it limits, our the customers choices , so much for competition.
I,ve been on cloud 9 with your average comment, but then I looked in the mirror, doh!
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There are already EV specialists that can easily cope with run of the mill repairs, and even diagnose and fix faults dealers struggle with ( Cleevely to name one ).
Which already dispels your theory that manufacturers are making sure only their dealers can work on their cars.
And the amount of companies able to do this will only grow.
 
jonney said:
I don't think the attitude is warranted :rolleyes:

I was talking about what a manufacturer will do outside of warranty period. E.g. after 10 years when you have an issue with a battery. They will choose the most beneficial option for themselves. Inside of warranty that may well be a repair or refurb. But outside of warranty that will be a straight replacement.

Another member posted that there are a handful of 3rd parties completing repairs. But they are currently few. Hopefully this expands as demand increases.
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Its not really possible to say what every provider will opt for in 10 years time.


What i can say though is in the google research i did a few months back i cant find any examples of any companies providing new battery installs- perhaps others will have better success.

There were people selling exchange second hand packs.

But trying to find evidence of new battery prices drew a blank
 
stevegus said:
Its not really possible to say what every provider will opt for in 10 years time.


What i can say though is in the google research i did a few months back i cant find any examples of any companies providing new battery installs- perhaps others will have better success.

There were people selling exchange second hand packs.

But trying to find evidence of new battery prices drew a blank
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Do you mean aftermarket batteries?
Or people installing new OE batteries?
One is non existent right now, the other is easy (any dealer for one)
Prices for new batteries for the MG maybe aren’t in the public domain yet though, but it’s a part like any other and will have a price if asked.
 
bowfer said:
There are already EV specialists that can easily cope with run of the mill repairs, and even diagnose and fix faults dealers struggle with ( Cleevely to name one ).
Which already dispels your theory that manufacturers are making sure only their dealers can work on their cars.
And the amount of companies able to do this will only grow.
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Two dogs one bone, I,m still waiting for my car so I will obviously bow to your greater knowledge and experience, stop grinning, once you can unequivocally confirm that these independent garages have full unfettered access to MG ,s software and updates and SAIC servers, and all work will be honoured by MG in case of a warranty claim , otherwise , well you get the gist.
 
OriginalBigAl said:
Two dogs one bone, I,m still waiting for my car so I will obviously bow to your greater knowledge and experience, stop grinning, once you can unequivocally confirm that these independent garages have full unfettered access to MG ,s software and updates and SAIC servers, and all work will be honoured by MG in case of a warranty claim , otherwise , well you get the gist.
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Now you’re just being silly, of course SAIC aren’t going to let ‘anyone’ into their servers.
You seem genuinely scared of EVs, maybe hold off and stay in a nice old ICE car with nice old halogen bulbs for a bit. 😁
 
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bowfer said:
Do you mean aftermarket batteries?
Or people installing new OE batteries?
One is non existent right now, the other is easy (any dealer for one)
Prices for new batteries for the MG maybe aren’t in the public domain yet though, but it’s a part like any other and will have a price if asked.
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Looking today this US article posts an unfeasibly cheap price for a leaf battery

www.recurrentauto.com

Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement Guide

Nissan’s LEAF has been an EV favorite for a decade. As the first internationally mass market and affordable electric car, it has played a crucial role in EV adoption. Its long tenure also makes it a leader in battery replacement, many being replaced by Nissan themselves under warranty.
www.recurrentauto.com www.recurrentauto.com
 
OriginalBigAl said:
Game set and match , I see your arguments run its course.
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No, just had enough of your somewhat rambling posts.
You’ve gone from worries about replacing hardware (indicators) to worries about software updates.
Basically, what you seem to be after is reassurance that you using the main dealer is ‘inevitable’, but you also want the right to gripe about it.
I’ll make it easy for you.
Yes, you must at all times use the main dealer.
There you go, tara Chuck.
 
bowfer said:
No, just had enough of your somewhat rambling posts.
You’ve gone from worries about replacing hardware (indicators) to worries about software updates.
Basically, what you seem to be after is reassurance that you using the main dealer is ‘inevitable’, but you also want the right to gripe about it.
I’ll make it easy for you.
Yes, you must at all times use the main dealer.
There you go, tara Chuck.
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If the post becomes rambling its because people do not answer a specific question but go off on one and give unrelated responses which the require different explanations . learning to read the question and understanding its nuances would be a good start.
Its not just this thread but quite a lot like it, and not just you , in case you are getting a little paranoid. There are forums about everything under the sun, and in general all have the same problems and issues , makes you glad to be human.
I,m happy for any one to disagree with me and will concede a point when met with overall evidence of an alternative view , a hypothetical question by definition means that the ensuing conversation will be shades of grey , not black and white, and hopefully aims to give people a different slant on life and maybe their responses will change mine.
Trying to stop a conversation dead because it may upset your sensibilities sort of implies you are right and thats the end of it.
Does this mean we are not going to be mates then.
 
Please try and keep on the topic of the thread. It's like having a conversation with a politician.

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