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As far as I have read, Tesla have not opened up the network to other cars in the uk yet.
 
Looks like device 4 should be the one to use, type2 just plug invand charge, does it have a white sign?
 
I didn't think they'd opened the grid for UK, but have you tried downloading the Tesla app, registering and seeing if that makes a difference?

Pat is not in UK, but that aside he's using Tesla app and charging his MG

 
Yes white sign, first 3 are red and say tesla charging. This one white and says electric vehicles. Hotel says it should work on all types, and I've seen a BMW charge here previously.
 
Yes white sign, first 3 are red and say tesla charging. This one white and says electric vehicles. Hotel says it should work on all types, and I've seen a BMW charge here previously.
You tried their app and it didn't make any difference?

"How do I charge if I don't drive a Tesla?
  1. Download the Tesla app (version 4.2.3 or higher) for iOS or Android and create a Tesla Account.
  2. Select 'Charge Your Non-Tesla' and find your Supercharger site.
  3. Add your payment method, plug-in your car, select a stall and tap 'Start Charging.'
  4. Select 'Stop Charging' to complete your session."
It'll be useful to know what worked if you do manage to get the charge going.

 
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From Tesla site this trial started November 2021​

General​

Where is the pilot currently live?
The Non-Tesla Supercharger pilot is currently available for Supercharging stations in the following countries:

  • France
  • The Netherlands
  • Norway
Can I Supercharge if I am visiting the Netherlands, France or Norway?
The Non-Tesla Supercharger pilot is currently limited to EV drivers who live in the following countries:

  • The Netherlands
  • France
  • Norway
  • Germany
  • Belgium
 
Description of how this should work is here:
 
Description of how this should work is here:
That's great at least it should work, I have avoided Tesla chargers for the reason in my post. thanks for posting the link NCR.
 
Description of how this should work is here:
Thanks - very handy to know!! Maybe it is just that particular charger which is faulty then, unless something has changed since the page was last updated.
 
App seems to be just for superchargers, this is a destination charger. I'l abandon the idea and try elsewhere tomorrow.

Thaks for all the comments
 
App seems to be just for superchargers, this is a destination charger. I'l abandon the idea and try elsewhere tomorrow.

Thaks for all the comments
Just found this on the forum, hope it helps you out.

Tesla Destin 2022-02-12 at 19.59.40.png
 
TL;DR - MG EVs probably don't handshake properly with Tesla AC wall chargers (gen 2 and gen 3), despite the chargers being set to allow all EVs.

I may be able to provide some insight here, based on personal experience.

Firstly, I think we are confusing the two types of Tesla chargers: The Tesla Supercharger Network (DC fast chargers, like that pictured in post #4 of this thread) and Tesla AC destination chargers (wall chargers found in home garages, car parks, shops, hotels etc., sometimes on poles). The Supercharger network is slowly being opened up to non-Tesla users. But this is a different issue to what the OP is having.

I own a Tesla Model S, my partner an MG5 EV, and my mother and MG ZS EV. We also have a Tesla AC wall charger (HPWC as some people call it). And I have spent many hours trying to figure out why the two MGs will not charge properly with the Tesla wall charger.

I have tried both Gen 2 and Gen 3 Tesla wall chargers. You can Google the difference but they are both AC wall charges, the Gen 3 has a WiFi interface.

We had a generation 2 Tesla wall charger in our garage that I used with my Tesla for many years, no problem. Last year my partner got an MG5. The Tesla charger would not charge the MG. Then I discovered that the Gen 2 chargers have a dip switch inside them that enabled 'legacy mode' i.e. enabled charging on non-Teslas. In legacy mode I was still able to charge my Tesla, and our neighbour's Audi e-tron also charged without issue. The MG5 however was another story. Sometimes it would charge, sometimes it wouldn't and just sat there with 'Connected, uncharged' notice on the display.

There are other threads on this forum where people have tried different combinations of power car on/off, lock/unlock, plugin, reset charger etc.....i.e. the 'dance' as some call it. My partner eventually found a routine that worked most of the time. I can't recall the order of events. It was not as simple as just plugging in the charger as you would expect.

Then our 6 year old Gen 2 Tesla charger developed a faulty cable and would not even charge my Tesla unless I positioned the cable a certain way. I suspect it was a fault in the pilot/signaling wire.

So I asked Tesla about the Gen 3 chargers and they said that you can set them to allow 'All Vehicles' via the WiFi interface (as opposed to the dip switch on the gen 2). When I asked about MGs they said it will work with all EVs that are compliant with the Type 2 plug standards. I bought the charger, which was cheaper than many other chargers on the market and looks pretty nice, had it installed, and set it to allow all vehicles -----> no dice at all with the MG5. Grrrrrr!!! Tried my mum's MG ZS, same problem. Neighbours Audi e-tron, worked fine. Spent many hours changing maximum current settings, rebooting, enabling/disabling 'all vehicles', but could not get it to charge the MG5. It did charge the MG5 once, but I couldn't get it to do it again. I even updated the firmware on the charger, but still no dice.

So it seems that MGs don't like Tesla AC wall/destination chargers. There has been discussion and speculation as to why this is. One theory is that MG are not following the handshake time out regulations. The Tesla chargers expect the handshake (communication between the charger and the car as to what voltage/current/number of phases to use etc) to be completed with in a set time. But the MGs maybe taking too long to complete the communication, and so the charger times out.

This is not unique to Tesla AC chargers by the way. I read a couple of posts on here where people were having the same issue with certain Rolec chargers.

I have not found a solution other than my partner having to use the Granny (mobility) charger until we can get it solved.

Either Tesla (and Rolec) have very strict handshake time outs, or the MGs are taking too long and other brands of chargers are more tolerant. That is if handshaking is actually the problem. It certainly needs investigation because many people are getting caught out.......like the OP. Based on the fact that MGs seem to be the only brand of vehicle that I know of that can't use Tesla and some Rolec chargers is suspect the issue is with MG.

Marty, in New Zealand.
 
TL;DR - MG EVs probably don't handshake properly with Tesla AC wall chargers (gen 2 and gen 3), despite the chargers being set to allow all EVs.

I may be able to provide some insight here, based on personal experience.

Firstly, I think we are confusing the two types of Tesla chargers: The Tesla Supercharger Network (DC fast chargers, like that pictured in post #4 of this thread) and Tesla AC destination chargers (wall chargers found in home garages, car parks, shops, hotels etc., sometimes on poles). The Supercharger network is slowly being opened up to non-Tesla users. But this is a different issue to what the OP is having.

I own a Tesla Model S, my partner an MG5 EV, and my mother and MG ZS EV. We also have a Tesla AC wall charger (HPWC as some people call it). And I have spent many hours trying to figure out why the two MGs will not charge properly with the Tesla wall charger.

I have tried both Gen 2 and Gen 3 Tesla wall chargers. You can Google the difference but they are both AC wall charges, the Gen 3 has a WiFi interface.

We had a generation 2 Tesla wall charger in our garage that I used with my Tesla for many years, no problem. Last year my partner got an MG5. The Tesla charger would not charge the MG. Then I discovered that the Gen 2 chargers have a dip switch inside them that enabled 'legacy mode' i.e. enabled charging on non-Teslas. In legacy mode I was still able to charge my Tesla, and our neighbour's Audi e-tron also charged without issue. The MG5 however was another story. Sometimes it would charge, sometimes it wouldn't and just sat there with 'Connected, uncharged' notice on the display.

There are other threads on this forum where people have tried different combinations of power car on/off, lock/unlock, plugin, reset charger etc.....i.e. the 'dance' as some call it. My partner eventually found a routine that worked most of the time. I can't recall the order of events. It was not as simple as just plugging in the charger as you would expect.

Then our 6 year old Gen 2 Tesla charger developed a faulty cable and would not even charge my Tesla unless I positioned the cable a certain way. I suspect it was a fault in the pilot/signaling wire.

So I asked Tesla about the Gen 3 chargers and they said that you can set them to allow 'All Vehicles' via the WiFi interface (as opposed to the dip switch on the gen 2). When I asked about MGs they said it will work with all EVs that are compliant with the Type 2 plug standards. I bought the charger, which was cheaper than many other chargers on the market and looks pretty nice, had it installed, and set it to allow all vehicles -----> no dice at all with the MG5. Grrrrrr!!! Tried my mum's MG ZS, same problem. Neighbours Audi e-tron, worked fine. Spent many hours changing maximum current settings, rebooting, enabling/disabling 'all vehicles', but could not get it to charge the MG5. It did charge the MG5 once, but I couldn't get it to do it again. I even updated the firmware on the charger, but still no dice.

So it seems that MGs don't like Tesla AC wall/destination chargers. There has been discussion and speculation as to why this is. One theory is that MG are not following the handshake time out regulations. The Tesla chargers expect the handshake (communication between the charger and the car as to what voltage/current/number of phases to use etc) to be completed with in a set time. But the MGs maybe taking too long to complete the communication, and so the charger times out.

This is not unique to Tesla AC chargers by the way. I read a couple of posts on here where people were having the same issue with certain Rolec chargers.

I have not found a solution other than my partner having to use the Granny (mobility) charger until we can get it solved.

Either Tesla (and Rolec) have very strict handshake time outs, or the MGs are taking too long and other brands of chargers are more tolerant. That is if handshaking is actually the problem. It certainly needs investigation because many people are getting caught out.......like the OP. Based on the fact that MGs seem to be the only brand of vehicle that I know of that can't use Tesla and some Rolec chargers is suspect the issue is with MG.

Marty, in New Zealand.
But who to contact? Tesla doesn't respond and MG only has web chat
Not having much luck
 
I'm fairly sure that the MG charging software is far from compliant with the type 2 standards. Unfortunately you've bought an EVSE which lacks the flexibility to work around the MG's shortcomings.
 
Our local shops have pod points in the car parks, when free I plug in to charge one set are 3kw the other 7kw never have I had a problem charging. It would be helpful to post the types that have problems. Add to the list if you know a system that has issues charging your MG
Tesla.
 
I'm fairly sure that the MG charging software is far from compliant with the type 2 standards. Unfortunately you've bought an EVSE which lacks the flexibility to work around the MG's shortcomings.
Which type? May I ask...
 
Finally guys I have some breakthrough with Tesla support. Lets hope our prayers are answered next month :) this year :) Fingers crossed :)
acknowledgement is great thanks Tesla!

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HI ,

Thank you for contacting Tesla Support.

Tesla Gen 3 Wall Connectors are designed to allow charging across any Type 2 compatible electric vehicle. We are aware of some reports that certain vehicle brands, such as yours, experience intermittent and/or permanent charging issues. Our engineers are currently working with each OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) to develop a firmware upgrade to resolve these issues. The firmware upgrade is expected to rollout in March, 2022.

I sincerely apologize for any inconveniences this may cause.

Kind regards,

Customer Support Specialist – Australia & New Zealand

15 Blue Street, North Sydney, NSW 2060
T: AU:1800 646 952 T: NZ: 0800 005 431
 
I've got a Zappi, which can work around the MG's software limitations. It can be clunky (slow to restart charging) but it works.
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I have a Wallbox Pulsar Plus, anyone have this charger and experiencing issues with MGs?
 
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