Europe scraps 2035 new ICE car sales ban

[Fogey]

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[tsedge]

https://eepublicdownloads.entsoe.eu/clean-documents/tyndp-documents/TYNDP%202016/projects/P1005.pdf

Invest in Manchester | £300m Liquid Air Energy Storage Facility Breaks Ground

£300m Liquid Air Energy Storage Facility Breaks Ground

www.investinmanchester.com

Right - as I thought. That's about a project just breaking ground in the last few weeks that will deliver 300MWh of storage.

It is a good pilot project and will serve 500,000 homes or so. But that is nothing like TWh - that's the long term potential they've outlined, but not operational today.

I'm hopeful they will get there in time, but that isn't available today.

 

[Gadget Geek]

Yes, my mistake, I misread the information.
However, the government are funding another 27TWh air storage projects, and the beauty of this technology is it's off the shelf parts already readily available so no R&D costs or time.

 

[decrep]

Humans can and will adapt , populations can move freely around the world without restrictions to get a better life after droughts, wildfires or flooding have destroyed their indigenous lands into the welcoming arms of their new hosts. What !!!

Where on earth did that come from???? Talk about not living in the real World.

 

[MG Clive]

Where on earth did that come from???? Talk about not living in the real World.

I wouldn't take that comment too seriously mate.

 

[Bam Bam]

e-fuels are just as unsustainable as fossil fuels, just in a different way.

What the biofuels industry doesn’t want you to know – biofuelwatch

I agree e-fuels are a terrible idea.

Biofuels are a scandal - US corn being used to supplement "gasoline" which means huge amount of land and water are being used to power inefficient vehicles. And it's all to push up the income for US farmers/landowners.

Though I should say I was suggesting synthetic e-fuels made from water and air (plus a huge amount of electricity)...

What is synthetic e-fuel?

Sales of new petrol and diesel cars are set to be banned before long - could synthetic fuel give them a reprieve?

www.carwow.co.uk

Another terrible idea of course, but if people have to choose between this and battery and they would get it very quickly.

 

[Bam Bam]

Since this is an EV-focused site I just thought I would mention that EVs are very helpful dealing with the intermittency of renewables.

Octopus are showing the way with their 'greener nights' score and Agile tariff which shows the link between renewable surplus and low prices.

BEVs have a huge amount of storage capacity and can mop up some of that surplus.

The problem we have in the moment in the UK is that most of the wind power comes in to the North (Scotland) and East of the country but our grid network is 60 years old and is based around coal-powered plants in the middle of the country.

Essentially the wires aren't always thick enough to get the power from where it is being generated to where it is needed and therefore companies are paid to turn off wind turbines.

The govt. are VERY aware of this and are trying to prioritise projects to ease these bottlenecks, though they take time.

On the other hand, one sensible solution was to have locational pricing like other long-thin countries do, but the government decided against this. Same in Germany for similar reasons. D'oh.

Batteries (at home, at grid level, or in cars) help with the bottlenecks, because they can be charged/discharged when the grid can't cope.

 

[Gadget Geek]

And now the Tories are threatening to scrap the new ICE sales ban if they win the next election. Don't they ever learn? The automotive industry spends millions of pounds setting up new production lines and then a new government overturns what the previous encumbents started. The industry have said they want stability.

I wonder who could be a major contibutor to the Conservative Party . . . let me think . . .

 

[Ian Key]

They might find the big car manufacturers have already made plans to cease production of ICE powered cars by 2035 so the only diesel and petrol powered cars will be from small specialist makers which will be beyond the means of most people.

 

[EvTek23]

Yep, it's quite a slow process for manufacturers to change to an EV production line. They were all told some 8 to 10 years ago about the petrol and diesel ban, and although the dates might have changed to and from 2030/2035 there was still an immanent ban. Most have reacted to that and have EV's in the range. Ford is going into it big time now with the scrapping of the Fiesta and Focus. I think the only car they currently produce is the Puma with ICE, the rest of it's offerings are EV's now with the Explorer, Capri and MachE.
It's been a fascinating discussion over this subject with so many passionate views. I thank all those who have taken part.