KeithS

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In forty years of buying and owning new cars, I've given up on my MG3 HYBRID! Having owned it for just 18 months and 9,100 miles I part exchanged it yesterday for a BYD Dolphin Surf - this is there super mini full EV, and is a little shorter and narrower than the MG3 Hybrid, but with actually more cabin space.
I’ve attached a couple of pictures when I collected it from BYD Mayfair in Barclay St central London.
The reason for my swift change was entirely down to the absolutely atrocious, abysmal, and quite literally ‘can’t be bothered and couldn’t care less’ attitude of MG UK customer service (to call it ‘service’ is a joke in itself)!!!
I posted before how the ‘engine emissions fault’ warning and light had started to make an unwelcome appearance, but this time it was accompanied by a red ‘traction battery light’ which illuminated for a few seconds before the usual engine fault light then came on.
This over the last few weeks resulted in an AA visit, and a couple of visits to my dealer.
Finally a couple of weeks ago they were able to get the fault codes, which showed an imbalance within the traction battery pack.
It this stage no warning lights were on, but they wanted to get the car in sooner rather than later, as they had no idea about this issue.
This is where the real problems began! I had a booking for a ‘whilst you wait’ unrelated issue, so they now wanted to use that visit to start an investigation of the engine/battery problem. However this I feared was going to become an open ended problem, and crucially as the dealer didn’t have any courtesy card until January, potentially I could be left without transport. So I rang MG UK to see what the position would be, for them to provide a car.
Rather than understanding and having the self respect in their product which had once again let me down, I was given what could be best described as a robotic response, leaving it about as clear as mud, whether they would provide a car!
When I explained the nature of the problem, and asked if that meant I would be provided with transport, she wouldn’t comment.
There are some companies where the customer is almost an inconvenience, and from this episode and others I’ve had with them, it was becoming clear that they would quite happily leave the customer ‘hanging’.
The warranty of seven years appears to be nothing more than a marketing tool to get the customer hooked. Once the car is sold you seem pretty much on your own.
Whilst I was prepared to put up with the odd behaviour of the car:-
Soaring engine revs when going up hill, from an engine when revving was far from refined.
OEM tyres that were generally only available in Australia, and are now obsolete.
Dodgy collision warning slamming on the brakes when driving past parked cars.
Climate control that would revert to ‘low’ if you got in the car and didn’t start it straight away.
And finally a plethora of creaks, squeaks, and groans from the cabin, which I knew the dealer and MG would do nothing about. On this point, I maybe wrong, but I heard/read that MG don’t include those in the warranty, and so it would probably be a waste of time asking for them to be cured.
My every interaction was one of - there is nothing we are prepared to do, and yes we don’t care!
All this pointed to the fact that come a bigger issue, I could be left high and dry from a brand that seemingly don’t give a damn about their customers, and any shortcomings with their products.
So as I said at the start of this enormous post, after just 18 months I’ve given up, taken the loss, and jumped ship.
BTW I’ve heard from someone senior within the MG Group, that the short comings of MG UK are well known, and becoming a major issue.
I do wonder if my so called escalated complaint I raised with CS will ever merit a call back or any response!! What a joke!!!!
 

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Getting customer service right isn't hard, provided MG back their dealerships. Unfortunately it seems that MG doesn't and that makes it truly awkward for the dealers. I had similar problems with JLR failing to back warranty claims on Jaguars. We love our MG4 but I also adore my E-class Mercedes and the difference between the ownership experiences are palpable. For example, the underbody trim on my wife's 1-year old MG4 more or less just fell off, but MG put me through tons of hoops and making me take photos of the damage etc etc. In the end MG would only fix one part of the trim and I had to pay for the other part. The dealer would do nothing until MG had decided which bits they would pay for. When my 6-year old Mercedes' lower front suspension joints failed, (a known weakness on the car), the dealer effected the repair and when I went to collect the car there was no charge, citing that the joints should never have failed in the first place.

It may also be a lack of familiarity - we had two of the original Nissan Leafs and if even the slightest thing went wrong with the battery or electrics the car was transported by flatbed truck 60-miles away to the Birmingham dealer who did have some expertise in the car. I suspect with more and more Chinese brands coming to the UK things will improve.
 
Getting customer service right isn't hard, provided MG back their dealerships. Unfortunately it seems that MG doesn't and that makes it truly awkward for the dealers. I had similar problems with JLR failing to back warranty claims on Jaguars. We love our MG4 but I also adore my E-class Mercedes and the difference between the ownership experiences are palpable. For example, the underbody trim on my wife's 1-year old MG4 more or less just fell off, but MG put me through tons of hoops and making me take photos of the damage etc etc. In the end MG would only fix one part of the trim and I had to pay for the other part. The dealer would do nothing until MG had decided which bits they would pay for. When my 6-year old Mercedes' lower front suspension joints failed, (a known weakness on the car), the dealer effected the repair and when I went to collect the car there was no charge, citing that the joints should never have failed in the first place.

It may also be a lack of familiarity - we had two of the original Nissan Leafs and if even the slightest thing went wrong with the battery or electrics the car was transported by flatbed truck 60-miles away to the Birmingham dealer who did have some expertise in the car. I suspect with more and more Chinese brands coming to the UK things will improve.
Interesting comparison...
I was using Richmond Guildford (far from local, but better standard of service) for my MG.
I also use them for my other car - a Genesis. Electrified G80.
Genesis are very keen to provide top notch standards of customer service which is always reflected with my interactions with both Genesis GB, and their dealer network.
Unfortunately the same dealer at the same location have their hands tied by MG UK, who really don't want to provide anything but the absolute bare minimum that they have to provide for their warranty.
Anything outside of that, they simply don't want to know!
What I can't work out, is how customers spending 50 or 60k on their more expensive models are going to think coming presumably out of premium brands, and being presented with this 'I don't care attitude'.
BTW, whilst too soon to put this to the test, I posed the question to the BYD salesman- what if my car had to go off the road, he said if there wasn't a courtesy car he would loan my a demonstrator vehicle. Also my car previous to the MG was a 2018 DS3, and when I arrived at the dealer for a service, with a prearranged loan car which hadn't been returned, the service manager sourced a new top of the range Peugeot for me to use.
All things MG need to learn from...
 
I fully recognise your experience. After 8 months trying to resolve my various problems with a new XPower, I have concluded MG will never receive custom from me again. The dealership tried hard to resolve things but MG were unhelpful, uncommunicative and dismissive of both the dealership and me. No apology for my car being out of commission for 5 of those 8 months ever appeared. I was unsurprised to read that MG won the accolade in 2024 as the worst manufacturer to represent. I hope your new BYD brings you more joy. My previous car was a Tesla3 which brought me endless joy even though their customer service deteriorated significantly during my ownership. I wanted a smaller car - at least that target has been met!
 
Good luck with Santander. They pressured me to let them pursue the claim - 8 months later they paid me compensation….. £11.24!
I get it but if a cars not fit for purpose then return car cancel the PCP let them chase me for the money. I like my 3 has been ok was worried about the n cap but that's getting fixed. Any problems will just get a runabout
 
I test drove an MG3 a few days ago - been offered some very tempting new deals on the Trophy.

But, then I found this forum!

These poor experiences really do put me off with going through with a purchase.

I read the MG 7 year warranty document in detail, it's worrying how much isn't covered.
Hardly 7 years piece of mind ...

I'm now thinking a 3yr old Toyota with their 10yr warranty might be the way forward ....
 
I test drove an MG3 a few days ago - been offered some very tempting new deals on the Trophy.

But, then I found this forum!

These poor experiences really do put me off with going through with a purchase.

I read the MG 7 year warranty document in detail, it's worrying how much isn't covered.
Hardly 7 years piece of mind ...

I'm now thinking a 3yr old Toyota with their 10yr warranty might be the way forward ....
I had an MG3 HYBRID TROPHY for 18 months, if you want to PM me with your phone number, I will, be more than happy to chat to you about my experiences and why I decided to switch so soon.
What i would say is that its great value for money like all MG products, but there are pitfalls to be taken into consideration. Unlike buying say an item of clothing, you can't take a car back to the shop for a refund if when you get home you decide you don't like it. So it's important to be certain before parting with the cash!!
The problems come, when you have a problem!!!!
 
Have to say, this thread more than any other (The £2850 service cost over 5 years is another) is really putting me off as well. I have driven an MG3 Hybrid numerous times as a Zipcar and I enjoyed it so much that I have rented it for an hour just to drive it again.

I must admit, I was never too sure about the 3 speed gearbox, but it seemed OK most of the time, only becoming slightly unsure of itself when really putting your foot down when the engine seems somewhat noisy.

I have not really experienced the high revs thing, maybe a couple of times the revs were slightly higher on the motorway than I would have liked.

But hearing the 7 year warranty isn't really a seven year warranty and the dealers don't want to know when you have an issue is massively off putting.

I would be really interested to hear what the straw that broke the camels back was, and why you got out of the car.
 
The high revs are connected primarily to travelling uphill, and its as a result of the design of the hybrid drive train. Unlike most hybrids, particularly self charging i.e. the non plug in type, the petrol engine can become purely a generator to charge up the battery i/o propelling the car. The larger than average hybrid battery in the MG3 will then use its stored energy to drive the electric motor to propel the car. The problems happen when the car senses you are driving uphill (a gentle slope won't be enough), and in order to ensure the motor has sufficient energy, it moves the 3 speed box into second causing the revs to soar which will allow the battery to have enough charge.
In simple terms, when you're driving up a hill even at speeds as low as 20-25 mph the engine could be spinning at anything between 2,500 and 3,000 rpm, which is in excess of the revs when travelling at 70 mph down the motorway (70mph usually equates to 2,600rpm)!
This is particularly noticeable as thanks to the operation in normal driving around town on fairly flat roads things are fairly quiet, but when revved the petrol engine doesn't exactly sound very sweet or sonorous!
A couple of other issues:-
When using MG PILOT the system, albeit on narrower roads so you could argue its not really intended for those conditions, if it sees a parked car it can get confused and sometimes slam on the brakes! Pity as the lane assist function can handle some quite sharp turns, which my other car wouldn't attempt to negotiate.
Another minor fault was with the climate control. If you unlock the car but don't start it straight away, for some reason the system defaults to 'LOW' which also corresponds to max fan speed.
Not as much of a problem in hot weather,but in the winter you end up being blasted with freezing air until the screen boots up which allows you to the change it back to where you had it. I suppose as work around could be to switch the whole thing off via the dash button until it allows you to change it.
Even though I live on a hill which meant every journey would be accompanied by the revving issue i mention above, and even taking into account the other problems I've mentioned, aswell as the plethora of squeaks, creaks - particularly bad on my drivers seat, but the dealer did manage to improve it, and rear suspension groans; i was happy to have persevered with the car. As I've said it does after all represent great value for money, albeit if a little bland.
Unfortunately the last straw was customer service, or rather the complete lack of it.
Alarm bells began when within the first month a was unlucky enough to get a puncture. Obviously not a fault of the car or MG, BUT what was a fault was the OEM tyres that the MG3 came fitted with.
A Khumo tyre whose make and model, unless you were incredibly lucky wasn't available in the UK. So if you didn't want to mix tyres on the same axle - whilst legal is not recommended, you are left buying two tyres for one puncture. When i approached MG UK first of all. The Customer Service advisor agreed that it was not satisfactory and would talk to his manager, but then the next day failed to call me back, and when I did get hold of him, clearly having been coached by his boss, all the sympathy was gone, and an official, almost pre-rehearsed line was trotted out, saying MG accept no responsibility for the tyres supplied on the car, and if I felt it unsafe (which he agreed it would be) then I must decide for myself what I wanted to do.
I then spoke to the sales manager of the selling dealer, who whilst agreeing that it was not a satisfactory situation, there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the other MG regional manager were going to do about it!!!! Furthermore even knowing that the cars he was selling had the same tyres as my car, he was quite happy to continue to sell cars with this known issue!!! Staggering to say the least.
BTW the Khumo tyres fitted were only available in Australia, and I understand that was the market this car was always intended for. As a final point the tyre model is now obsolete according to Khumo UK.
Moving forward I then in September of last year began with the now well known 'Engine emissions fault' which is now known to be a faulty EGR valve. My dealer asked MG TECHNICAL if they could replace the valve, but we're told 'NO' and to carry out a software update. After three attempts, and by now a known issue, in December 24 they on possibly the fourth attempt changed the part they wanted to change in September. My guess - MG didn't want to pay for a part that was going to be a cost to them, and only when the issue became widespread, presumably resulting in MG claiming successfully from the parts supplier, and therefore negating the cost, did the part get freely replaced. This was a theory that someone from an MG dealer thought could indeed be the case.
We now fast forward to a couple of months ago. Once again the 'Engine emissions fault' reared it's ugly head, only this time accompanied for a couple of seconds with a second red warning light indicating traction battery over heating.
I found a dealer that could loan me a car within a couple of weeks, so I waited to take the car in - but then after a week the yellow engine light and emissions message went away. I hoped that maybe it was a sensor glitch and thought all was ok. But no, another week went by, and then the same problem came back, this time I called the AA, and the tech reset the problem and told me to keep the appointment with the dealer. So I dropped the car off, picked up the courtesy car only to be told that as the AA had reset the fault there was nothing they could do, and I would have to wait for the light to come back on. When that happened I was to drive to the dealer so they could collect the fault code. Their feeling was that it was the EGR valve again. However when a week later the problem came back, they checked and said they were concerned that it could ge an imbalance in the traction battery, and that it was of concern.
It was suggested I bring the car in the following week, and this is where things took a turn for the worse, there would be no courtesy car - they had nothing till January, and there were question marks as to whether MG UK would supply me with a car. In fact they couldn't even give me a lift to the local station!
I called MG UK Customer service, and spoke to the most disinterested, couldn't be bothered, and couldn't care less advisor, who refused to confirm that if my car was off the road for an extended period whilst this unknown problem was investigated, that I would be given alternate transport.
To sum up, it's my impression that MG UK want to do as little as they possibly can to keep costs to a bare minimum, when their customers have a problem. In more than forty years of car ownership I have never come across a company so disinterested in helping a stranded customer, and like with the tyre fiasco, anything that involves any kind of cost, they do their level best to avoid!!!
No cars ars fault free, and i was prepared to put up with getting the faults sorted out, as long as I was kept mobile. But IMO such was the absolute budget naturecof the whole operation- from dealer to MG UK, that a customer with a problem that couldn't be easily and cheaply dealt with, was a customer they didn't want to know!
In conclusion, whilst the MG3 is my second car and is therefore my daily runabout, I've changed to a BYD DOLPHIN SURF COMFORT. So far everything from BYD (both car and dealership) is clearly a cut above MG. In fact the salesman said, if i had a problem and there wasn't a courtesy car, he would loan me their demonstrator. Whilst the service from Genesis, as my other car is their Electrified G80, is as you would expect from a luxury brand- the absolute polar opposite, with a plentiful supply of courtesy cars, and collection and delivery. The irony, the dealer that I take my Genesis too, where they do there absolute best to keep me happy, is the same dealer I took my MG too!!!!!!
As they would say in the States - go figure!
 
BTW just to be clear, one thing MG UK could promise - if the car was off the road due to parts not being available, then a loan car would be provided.
Also if your car breaks down and has to be taken to a dealer then a rental car would be provided for a certain number of days.
Beyond this, there was no way to determine if the problem my car had would mean a loan car would be provided.
Or indeed how long it would take for MG TECHNICAL to work with the dealer to get to the bottom of the problem.
Meantime I had thoughts of perhaps a new traction battery needing to be fitted, with however long that would take, and me being without a car from them to use.
 
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