How many MG4 owners are new to the world of EVs?

How Many EVS have you owned or is the MG4 your first.

  • This is my First

    Votes: 90 73.2%
  • 2

    Votes: 25 20.3%
  • 3

    Votes: 4 3.3%
  • 4

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • 5 or more

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    123
My first EV would have been the MG4, but turned out being a Megane E-Tech as discussed in other threads.

I’ve had a few hot hatches over the years (Focus RS and ST, Astra VXR) and my last ICE car was a Merc A250. I’m in my 50s now so my boy racer days are long over, and I felt it was time to try an EV.

We run two cars, and my wife has a petrol VW Tiguan so if we need to do long journeys without worrying about charging (e.g. my parents are 260 miles away) we can use hers.

I’ve had a home charger installed, but can charge for free at work so hopefully it won’t cost much to run my EV. At this time it’s not worth me switching to a cheap overnight tariff as I work from home 3-4 days a week so would not really see much of a benefit.
 
I picked up my SR in Dynamic Red yesterday. Clocked up 130+ miles with a 3.1 m/kWh avarage (which isn’t bad - I don’t think).
This is my first EV. I part exchanged a 08 Volvo V70 D5 with 180K on the clock. Previous cars have been (earliest to most recent):
Talbot Sunbeam (loved that car)
Vauxhall Nova
Peugeot 309
Ford Escort
Vauxhall Astra estate
VW Type 2 & MG BGT
Volvo 740
Volvo V70 D5
Volvo V70 D5 ( part ex)
Currently have:
Volvo V70 D3
MG4 SE SR
 
I picked up my SR in Dynamic Red yesterday. Clocked up 130+ miles with a 3.1 m/kWh avarage (which isn’t bad - I don’t think).
This is my first EV. I part exchanged a 08 Volvo V70 D5 with 180K on the clock. Previous cars have been (earliest to most recent):
Talbot Sunbeam (loved that car)
Vauxhall Nova
Peugeot 309
Ford Escort
Vauxhall Astra estate
VW Type 2 & MG BGT
Volvo 740
Volvo V70 D5
Volvo V70 D5 ( part ex)
Currently have:
Volvo V70 D3
MG4 SE SR
3.1 is ok for colder weather 👍
 
Yes, I was quite impressed with the ride quality - it’s not always that easy on cars with a heavy battery pack getting the balance right.

Yes, its a real hard thing to get it right in a car best part of a 1/2 ton heavier than its ICE equiv.

The i3 was great fun but very skittish at the back end due to narrow tyres and got affected by wind on the motorway a lot

The Zoe was just soft at all times

The Kona was a lunatic with way too much power through the front wheels and crashy on anything uneven

The Model 3 just felt wallowy and no sense of control in corners etc.

The EV6 was a bit harsh over bumps and although it generally handled well the MG4 seems much more confident.

With the MG4 they have done an above average job with the ride and handling despite the low cost.
 
I had a 2018 Zoe R90 41kWh and now I have a 2020 Zoe R135 52kWh.
The MG4 will be my 3rd EV, my first car with RWD and my first car with over 200BHP.

I think the 135BHP of the Zoe are quite ok, but on the german autobahn it's useful to have a bit more power and a bit higher top end. 145kph on the Zoe (90mph) are a tad too slow sometimes. I wanted a car that can do 160kph (100mph) so it's a bit more flexible when I need it to be.
 
I had a 2018 Zoe R90 41kWh and now I have a 2020 Zoe R135 52kWh.
The MG4 will be my 3rd EV, my first car with RWD and my first car with over 200BHP.

I think the 135BHP of the Zoe are quite ok, but on the german autobahn it's useful to have a bit more power and a bit higher top end. 145kph on the Zoe (90mph) are a tad too slow sometimes. I wanted a car that can do 160kph (100mph) so it's a bit more flexible when I need it to be.
You must share your autobahn experiences. It’s very rare to see EV’s used regularly at high speed. It would be very interesting to get your feedback on performance, range impact that sort of thing 🙂
 
Maxed the MG4 out there. Reached 105mph with relative ease. But frankly I wouldn't want to drive an EV at that speed for long. Way to inefficient. Ride felt quite fine though. No problems whatsoever 😊
 
oh dear, 'efficiency'(!) : Perhaps it might be useful if ev-ers refrained from being bullied into describing their ev's as 'inefficient' at higher speeds - they are no less inefficient than ice-powered vehicles, aerodynamically. The energy required to shove a 2 square metre body with a drag coefficient of (say) 0.27 at speed x is the same - principally a function of speed squared. Same shape, same speed, same drag. (The extra mass of an ev adds a small amount to rolling resistance.)
You could look at it another way: a 60kWh battery holds 216 MJ; a 60 litre fuel tank holds around 1900 MJ, (diesel ~ 2160MJ), i.e. ice tanks carry around nine to ten times the energy of ev batteries. So the like-for-like ice might go three times as far, but it will have used 9 to 10 times the energy, i.e. is only 1/3rd as efficient as the ev.
Lots of spare thermal energy from the ice to keep yer feet warm, though.
sorry, pedantry over!
atb
 
oh dear, 'efficiency'(!) : Perhaps it might be useful if ev-ers refrained from being bullied into describing their ev's as 'inefficient' at higher speeds - they are no less inefficient than ice-powered vehicles, aerodynamically. The energy required to shove a 2 square metre body with a drag coefficient of (say) 0.27 at speed x is the same - principally a function of speed squared. Same shape, same speed, same drag. (The extra mass of an ev adds a small amount to rolling resistance.)
You could look at it another way: a 60kWh battery holds 216 MJ; a 60 litre fuel tank holds around 1900 MJ, (diesel ~ 2160MJ), i.e. ice tanks carry around nine to ten times the energy of ev batteries. So the like-for-like ice might go three times as far, but it will have used 9 to 10 times the energy, i.e. is only 1/3rd as efficient as the ev.
Lots of spare thermal energy from the ice to keep yer feet warm, though.
sorry, pedantry over!
atb
Pretty perfectly pedalled pedantry I would say. Thankyou Alb.
 
You must share your autobahn experiences. It’s very rare to see EV’s used regularly at high speed. It would be very interesting to get your feedback on performance, range impact that sort of thing 🙂

When I get the car, I will! :)

Currently I'll keep at 110-120kph with the Zoe because I want to have a speed reserve to overtake others safely. I'll drive fast in the winter in the first leg to heat up the battery, afterwards I'll resume to driving my normal speed. You certainly feel the range melt away while driving at 130kph+ , especially in mountainous and hilly regions like Austria. When I'm passing by Vienna, I always have to make a short charge 50km before Vienna in order to compensate for the terrain.

Only 145kph is annoying though because I want to overtake and it doesn't take long to have a BMW breathing down your neck. It forces you to be the slow poke and stay in the slow lane because of that. Constant accelerations also cause the consumption to jump up, so driving with 130kph will get annoying because you will encounter people who drive a few kph slower than you and then when you overtake someone faster comes from behind and forces you to accelerate. And 145kph isn't quite the 160kph that many are driving there. So at 120kph you will have much fewer people to overtake and you're driving more constant and economical. At 110kph it's even more economical because of even less overtaking needing to be done. But then again if there are only two lanes and there are trucks in the slow lane, you kind-of have to keep up with the others in the fast lane.

I also mostly avoid the autobahn if I can, on journeys of less than 60 miles.

With the Zoe the travelling time including charges doesn't change much between 110-140kph. So I stick to the lower end, at 110-120kph most of the time. It doesn't cost much time and saves money. The Zoe kind-of forces you to be slow because it doesn't have the range nor the charging speed or the efficiency to allow for higher travelling speeds.

So, for example I planned a 981km route in ABRP. I've been using it for a few years now with a paid subscription and OBD plug to get live data from the car in order to have the best routing possible. I also used it multiple times with long journeys (1000km) across multiple countries and it's predictions were accurate, so I can vouch for the displayed values below. For the kWh I took a mean charging speed of 40kW which is realistic for the Zoe. The cost per kWh varies between 0,35€ to 0,46€.

At 140kph I get 13h40m total time, of which 5h27m are charging time - 218 kWh or 76€ to 100€
At 130kph I get 13h33m total time, of which 5h3m are charging time - 202 kWh or 70€ to 93€
At 120kph I get 13h32m total time, of which 4h37m are charging time - 184 kWh or 64€ to 85€
At 110kph I get 13h42m total time, of which 4h5m are charging time - 163 kWh or 57€ to 75€
The above plan is a favourable route, driving east through Austria and Hungary on the other hand yields about one hour of delay because it's quite hilly.

So in the end the time doesn't change much based on how fast I drive, the difference is mostly how much time and money I spend at the charger and at 110-120kph it's the best deal.
I'm curious how the travel times will develop with the MG4, given that it has a larger battery and much faster charging speeds. That means that I believe it won't hurt as much to drive a stint at high speeds when I need it, and don't have to get out of the way as often because I can keep up better with the fast lane when I need to.

Of course, driving on the autobahn doesn't involve constantly dealing with maniacs driving 200kph and people that always get slower if you're behind them forcing you to overtake. But there are cases where what I described above is relevant and I wish the Zoe was more flexible in this regard. The Zoe is very much sufficient for autobahn driving, it's just tedious because of the slow charging speed and it's mediocre efficiency at these speeds.
 
agree; old farts it is. There is some crossover, though: In the '80s i recall occasionally driving a heavily modified (literally in both senses) xjs v12 on 300 mile round trips with some 'grunt' work inbetween: around 2 miles per litre - 22 MJ per mile - average energy consumption, i.e. approximately-ish fifteen times the energy consumption of an mg4 doing 120 kph....
 

Are you enjoying your MG4?

  • Yes

    Votes: 540 79.2%
  • I'm in the middle

    Votes: 91 13.3%
  • No

    Votes: 51 7.5%
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