Lightweight e-bikes, capabilities and transport

Yes, I couldn't help pointing out to a couple of friends at the weekend that my EV had just had its first MOT and miraculously it still had the same brakes, tyres and battery, it hadn't fallen through any multi-storey floor or caught fire. They were fans of Mac-the-****!

I watched a recent MacMaster video, and although the comments are the same knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing drek as always, the actual video was verging on pro-EV. It's thinly disguised EVangelism now. He even did a King Gama one.
 
I watched a recent MacMaster video, and although the comments are the same knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing drek as always, the actual video was verging on pro-EV. It's thinly disguised EVangelism now. He even did a King Gama one.
I blocked him some time ago so I don't see his dross any more.
 
I watched a recent MacMaster video, and although the comments are the same knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing drek as always, the actual video was verging on pro-EV. It's thinly disguised EVangelism now. He even did a King Gama one.
Love the description, I can picture a number of locals that fit into the description category, generally seen outside the old pub sitting around the tall tables on barstools looking like derros ..... just another attraction for the tourists to gork at I guess

T1 Terry
 
I have the latest and greatest eye tests every 12 weeks, then they stick needles in them :oops: The eye sight is 20/20 now both the cataracts have been done, but because the left eye has the reading lens, I need glasses for driving a heavy vehicle and reading glasses for my right eye if I'm going to do a lot of reading, or the eyes are tired or there is very low light.
The knees aren't real flash, so riding without battery assistance is a thing of the past now, I'd fall over once I stopped :LOL:

T1 Terry

I had both eyes set for distance vision so if I don't need to read or see anything close up in detail I don't need glasses. In practice I wear varifocals most of the time so I don't need to keep taking reading glasses off and on.
 
I had both eyes set for distance vision so if I don't need to read or see anything close up in detail I don't need glasses. In practice I wear varifocals most of the time so I don't need to keep taking reading glasses off and on.
That was the reason for one of each, I'd forever be walking back to pick up my reading glasses when in the workshop or taking my distance glasses off to read the dash and cameras when driving.
Now I have one of each, I can take the polarised glasses off and still see the road and signs clearly as well as the gauges on the dash and cameras and mirrors.....

T1 Terry
 
I watched a recent MacMaster video, and although the comments are the same knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing drek as always, the actual video was verging on pro-EV. It's thinly disguised EVangelism now. He even did a King Gama one.

It occurs to me that not everyone will get the King Gama reference. He is a character in the G&S opera Princess Ida, in fact Ida's father. His principal delight is complaining, and the joke is that his captors have given him absolutely everything he wants so he's miserable because he has nothing to complain about. His big patter-song has the line, "Isn't my life exceedingly flat, with nothing whatever to grumble at!" His suffering is such that Ida surrenders.

The MacMaster actually did a video with a clickbait title about how much he regrets buying the new Taycan, and it's just that. The car is so perfect that he doesn't have the content for his moaning videos any more. (He's also started doing sensible things like using ultra-rapid chargers and not charging to 100%.)
 
That was the reason for one of each, I'd forever be walking back to pick up my reading glasses when in the workshop or taking my distance glasses off to read the dash and cameras when driving.
Now I have one of each, I can take the polarised glasses off and still see the road and signs clearly as well as the gauges on the dash and cameras and mirrors.....

T1 Terry

Everyone has different reasons for their choices. Some people find that they don't need glasses at all with the eyes set at different focal lengths. But I wanted perfect distance vision and I'm quite happy to wear the varifocals. I really only take them off in the theatre or cinema, or when descending a rough track or uneven stairs (to see clearly where I'm putting my feet). I can drive without them but the dashboard readouts are slightly out of focus.

I actually keep them on outside most of the time because I find I want to look at my phone, and their being photochromic means I don't have to worry about sunglasses unless it's very bright, and actually if I'm cycling or riding they protect my eyes quite significantly.
 
That is the great thing about these lenses for cataract surgery, you can pick and choose as required.
I had to do a few days with reading prescription contact lenses to make sure my brain would switch between which eye could see the best automatically ..... I absolutely hated them, no idea how people can put up with contact lenses, I was glad to be rid of them as soon as the proof on function test was over .....
Even now, I have to close one eye or the other to determine which one is doing the looking, if I close my left eye. the screen is unreadable, but it isn't as clear with the right eye closed and only looking through the left eye, now it will take half an hr for it to get the balance right again :LOL:
I don't need glasses to read or to drive to see, I only need the glasses for driving a heavy vehicle for legal reasons .....

T1 Terry
 
Hilda did rather well this afternoon. I had hoped to go to the cycle track round Loch Katrine the first really nice day, but that day I was booked up for a music workshop. The next nice day was today, and Caliban was having his MOT, so I couldn't go anywhere much.

So I did a local run that I haven't done in its entirety before, just a circle around the village, but going the way with the steeper ascents.

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Turns out this was 13.16 miles, which is more than a third of the distance involved in the Trossachs route, and I'm pretty sure it's significantly hillier. The gradient feature on that app is useless though. It wasn't admitting anything was more than 6% at the most, when one of the ascents (at the six-mile point) is actually marked as over 10% on the OS map. In contrast the Loch Katrine cycleway is showing gradients up to 10% here and there, when there's nothing on the OS contour lines to hint at any such thing.

Anyway, I made it all the way round, only stopping a couple of times, briefly, because of traffic, and once momentarily because I thought my front wheel might be going into a rut on a farm track. None of the hills defeated Hilda. I didn't time myself, but it took well under an hour and a half and I wasn't hurrying.

So anyway, the rest of the forecast for the next fortnight is ghastly except for tomorrow, which is a wee bit cloudy but dry, so Hilda is all charged up and Caliban will be soon, and we're going for it.
 
The Loch Katrine trip was pretty good.

There were no chargers at the Loch Achray hotel (which didn't look particularly swanky) despite ZapMap showing them. So I went on to the Loch Katrine visitor centre a couple of miles away, and found the chargers! When paying for my parking I heard a couple of guys saying that their satnavs had sent them to the Loch Achray hotel in error, so that explains the ZapMap error. The two places have the same post code, and ZapMap has simply assumed that the chargers are at the hotel. And placed them in the middle of the building, I noticed!

Two EVs at the chargers!

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I got connected and set off round the bike track, this time remembering to turn on the range extender. So I discovered how that works, finally. The bike's handlebar SoC indicator stayed at white (80-100%) all the way round the loch, so the range extender was obviously topping up the integral battery all the way. I think it was about 20 miles and I was on the way back when there was a slight hiccup, the range extender switched itself off, and the bike started using the integral battery. I still had half of that left when I got back to the car. The path is tarmac all the way and wide enough for a car (it's used for access to some properties and service vehicles).

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The path was hillier than it looked on the OS map (hard to make out the contour lines against the forest background) as it mounted the hillside a couple of times. The first time I nearly made it to the top but thought, what's the point, you've still got a long way to go, don't exhaust yourself. I think if I hadn't done the 13-mile ride the previous day I'd have got up it. The second time it was definitely a GOAP job. The information board wasn't entirely kidding ("steep hills"). Going down the other side I saw a sign warning of a 12½% gradient and thought, I'll be walking up that on the way back!

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I got to Stronachlachar before two - it's about 15 miles and it probably took me about an hour and three-quarters. The Pier Cafe was open and serving and the Cullen Skink has been described elsewhere. Highly recommended.

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Mooching around the pier afterwards I saw the steamer (launched on the loch in 1899) arriving so stayed to get photos.

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I noticed from the information board there that you can take your bike on the boat and then ride back, or vice versa. Not having realised that, I cycled both ways. There were a lot of cyclists, many apparently having hired bikes at the bike shop by the visitor centre - Katrine Wheels. One woman was vocally regretting her decision to do it both ways on a non-electric bike, saying she'd walked a fair bit of the way there, and still had to get back by five. Let's hear it for Hilda, because I did very little walking.

Then I cycled the extra leg on past the Inversnaid barracks but discovered that the viewpoint marked on the OS map is actually a hike on foot from where it's actually marked, and decided enough was enough on that one. If I want to go there I'll take the car up to the viewpoint car park.

I was just leaving Stronachlachar on the way back when the range extender gave out, so that gives me a good idea of its scope. The 12½% hill on the way back was certainly a walk, but I got up it eventually, also the second one - I think I was getting a bit tired and not wanting to put my back into it by then. I got back to the car just after six, so I'd been out just over six hours altogether, but that included a very leisurely lunch. 37 miles covered, and that's further than I'd have gone happily in a day in my prime on a non-electric bike.

However, I was looking at some of the more substantial e-bikes on the trail with some envy. Which leads on to the continuing mission creep.
 
The Loch Katrine trip was pretty good.

There were no chargers at the Loch Achray hotel (which didn't look particularly swanky) despite ZapMap showing them. So I went on to the Loch Katrine visitor centre a couple of miles away, and found the chargers! When paying for my parking I heard a couple of guys saying that their satnavs had sent them to the Loch Achray hotel in error, so that explains the ZapMap error. The two places have the same post code, and ZapMap has simply assumed that the chargers are at the hotel. And placed them in the middle of the building, I noticed!

Two EVs at the chargers!

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I got connected and set off round the bike track, this time remembering to turn on the range extender. So I discovered how that works, finally. The bike's handlebar SoC indicator stayed at white (80-100%) all the way round the loch, so the range extender was obviously topping up the integral battery all the way. I think it was about 20 miles and I was on the way back when there was a slight hiccup, the range extender switched itself off, and the bike started using the integral battery. I still had half of that left when I got back to the car. The path is tarmac all the way and wide enough for a car (it's used for access to some properties and service vehicles).

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The path was hillier than it looked on the OS map (hard to make out the contour lines against the forest background) as it mounted the hillside a couple of times. The first time I nearly made it to the top but thought, what's the point, you've still got a long way to go, don't exhaust yourself. I think if I hadn't done the 13-mile ride the previous day I'd have got up it. The second time it was definitely a GOAP job. The information board wasn't entirely kidding ("steep hills"). Going down the other side I saw a sign warning of a 12½% gradient and thought, I'll be walking up that on the way back!

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I got to Stronachlachar before two - it's about 15 miles and it probably took me about an hour and three-quarters. The Pier Cafe was open and serving and the Cullen Skink has been described elsewhere. Highly recommended.

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Mooching around the pier afterwards I saw the steamer (launched on the loch in 1899) arriving so stayed to get photos.

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I noticed from the information board there that you can take your bike on the boat and then ride back, or vice versa. Not having realised that, I cycled both ways. There were a lot of cyclists, many apparently having hired bikes at the bike shop by the visitor centre - Katrine Wheels. One woman was vocally regretting her decision to do it both ways on a non-electric bike, saying she'd walked a fair bit of the way there, and still had to get back by five. Let's hear it for Hilda, because I did very little walking.

Then I cycled the extra leg on past the Inversnaid barracks but discovered that the viewpoint marked on the OS map is actually a hike on foot from where it's actually marked, and decided enough was enough on that one. If I want to go there I'll take the car up to the viewpoint car park.

I was just leaving Stronachlachar on the way back when the range extender gave out, so that gives me a good idea of its scope. The 12½% hill on the way back was certainly a walk, but I got up it eventually, also the second one - I think I was getting a bit tired and not wanting to put my back into it by then. I got back to the car just after six, so I'd been out just over six hours altogether, but that included a very leisurely lunch. 37 miles covered, and that's further than I'd have gone happily in a day in my prime on a non-electric bike.

However, I was looking at some of the more substantial e-bikes on the trail with some envy. Which leads on to the continuing mission creep.
I thought you had done the “steamer one way” and cycled back.
Very impressed with the double cycle well done - pretty certain I couldn’t do that nowadays without a twist grip / pedal free facility on the bike.
 
I thought you had done the “steamer one way” and cycled back.
Very impressed with the double cycle well done - pretty certain I couldn’t do that nowadays without a twist grip / pedal free facility on the bike.

It was totally fine, and to be honest the places where I had to get off and push weren't really terrible. I just felt a bit miffed because I could see other people with e-bikes that could get up them. My left knee was giving me slight twinges on the way back, but it was trivial. I noticed it again, slightly, yesterday, when I just cycled to the hairdresser, and today I did the easy 6½ mile run from home without noticing it.

37 miles, and it wasn't even a full day. It was just after noon when I set off and about ten past six when I got back to the car. That included taking my sweet time over the Cullen Skink and the scone and jam, hanging around to get pictures of the Sir Walter Scott at Stronachlachar, and climbing up (on foot) to the viewpoint car park before realising it was another hike (strong boots recommended) to see the actual view of Loch Lomond. Yes I was wearing strong walking shoes, but enough was enough.

I remember a cycling holiday in Holland with a friend when we were about 25, and my original plan to do a 50-mile stage had to be re-arranged with the help of a friendly youth hostel warden because we realised it was too far for us. On Wednesday I really think I could have done another 13 miles, especially if I'd started mid-morning.
 
The mission creep is continuing. The bike guy in Innerleithen had some suggestions but it transpired that I'd done better than him because when he saw the one I was favouring he said, go for that. The bike centre at Glentress was advertised as dealing with the make involved (the Innerleithen shop doesn't) so I called in on the way home. But it was a bit of a bust as they don't keep many bikes at that location, and from what the guy there said they don't even do this specific model and would have to do a special order. Well, I am not ordering anything at that price without seeing it and having a shot and trying to lift it.

However, a wee bit more googling and I found an actual bike in Edinburgh. It's not the colour I want and I probably want the smaller size, but it will give me a chance to see it, handle it, assess the weight and see how it fits. I phoned the shop and I'm going to see it tomorrow afternoon. If it's all satisfactory then I'll probably order through the Edinburgh shop.

The continuing issue is getting the thing in the car, but who was it who said give me a lever and a place to stand and I can move the Earth? I'm thinking 19 kg might be within the realms of the possible.

I was fetching my non-electric bike from Innerleithen, and when I saw how far the Glentress bike shop was from the car park, rather than walk it, I whipped the bike out from the back of the car, fitted its wheel, and cycled up and back. All to keep within the free half-hour parking! That bike is at least 15 kg, and it doesn't give me any problems. A bit of determination, maybe a bit of cunning, and a willingness to take my time might get the job done on 19 kg.

The issue is that as the bikes get more powerful, the weight of the motors and the batteries goes up. Obviously. But the snag is that it's only the heavier ones where you can take the battery out, and the lighter ones come with integral batteries that are not user-removable. (Like Hilda, but she's about 13 kg even with her battery!)

What I'm looking for is torque. Hilda is apparently 30-35 Nm. I'm shooting for double that.

There's another Ribble bike that's only 12 kg, which is little short of miraculous, but it's still only 55 Nm, it has handlebars I hate with a fiery passion, and a horizontal crossbar I don't fancy at all. (Ribble don't seem to be making any sort of step-through bikes any more.) It's basically the wrong shape and I'm not convinced it's enough of a step up from Hilda.

There are a few bikes around the 23 kg mark which have removable batteries that might bring the weight down to around 19 kg. They have torque around 100 Nm and 400 watt-hour batteries which is certainly plenty of oomh. If the front runner I'm going to see tomorrow doesn't work out I'll revisit this possibility.

However, here is the front runner.

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85 Nm torque, 630 watt-hours integral battery and has (like Hilda) a 210 watt-hour range extender available, bringing it to 840 watt-hours in expedition mode.
As far as I've been able to ascertain it's about 19 kg with the non-removable battery in situ, although I haven't had an answer yet to my email to the manufacturer (in the Basque country).

Even lower gears than Hilda, enhancing the get-up-the-side-of-a-house possibilities.
Has a "walk assist" function, so that in the unlikely event of a hill I can't get up (OK, not that unlikely on the Corrieyairack, so don't knock it) the bike will contribute power to its own propulsion while you GOAP up the hill.

It can be specced with a rear carrier (essential, I think, although I am still not above strapping a basket on this thing too), mudguards, a prop stand and lights. This all adds weight of course so I'm probably back to compromises, but the rear carrier looks very lightweight in the pictures.

So watch this space.
 
The mission creep is continuing. The bike guy in Innerleithen had some suggestions but it transpired that I'd done better than him because when he saw the one I was favouring he said, go for that. The bike centre at Glentress was advertised as dealing with the make involved (the Innerleithen shop doesn't) so I called in on the way home. But it was a bit of a bust as they don't keep many bikes at that location, and from what the guy there said they don't even do this specific model and would have to do a special order. Well, I am not ordering anything at that price without seeing it and having a shot and trying to lift it.

However, a wee bit more googling and I found an actual bike in Edinburgh. It's not the colour I want and I probably want the smaller size, but it will give me a chance to see it, handle it, assess the weight and see how it fits. I phoned the shop and I'm going to see it tomorrow afternoon. If it's all satisfactory then I'll probably order through the Edinburgh shop.

The continuing issue is getting the thing in the car, but who was it who said give me a lever and a place to stand and I can move the Earth? I'm thinking 19 kg might be within the realms of the possible.

I was fetching my non-electric bike from Innerleithen, and when I saw how far the Glentress bike shop was from the car park, rather than walk it, I whipped the bike out from the back of the car, fitted its wheel, and cycled up and back. All to keep within the free half-hour parking! That bike is at least 15 kg, and it doesn't give me any problems. A bit of determination, maybe a bit of cunning, and a willingness to take my time might get the job done on 19 kg.

The issue is that as the bikes get more powerful, the weight of the motors and the batteries goes up. Obviously. But the snag is that it's only the heavier ones where you can take the battery out, and the lighter ones come with integral batteries that are not user-removable. (Like Hilda, but she's about 13 kg even with her battery!)

What I'm looking for is torque. Hilda is apparently 30-35 Nm. I'm shooting for double that.

There's another Ribble bike that's only 12 kg, which is little short of miraculous, but it's still only 55 Nm, it has handlebars I hate with a fiery passion, and a horizontal crossbar I don't fancy at all. (Ribble don't seem to be making any sort of step-through bikes any more.) It's basically the wrong shape and I'm not convinced it's enough of a step up from Hilda.

There are a few bikes around the 23 kg mark which have removable batteries that might bring the weight down to around 19 kg. They have torque around 100 Nm and 400 watt-hour batteries which is certainly plenty of oomh. If the front runner I'm going to see tomorrow doesn't work out I'll revisit this possibility.

However, here is the front runner.

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85 Nm torque, 630 watt-hours integral battery and has (like Hilda) a 210 watt-hour range extender available, bringing it to 840 watt-hours in expedition mode.
As far as I've been able to ascertain it's about 19 kg with the non-removable battery in situ, although I haven't had an answer yet to my email to the manufacturer (in the Basque country).

Even lower gears than Hilda, enhancing the get-up-the-side-of-a-house possibilities.
Has a "walk assist" function, so that in the unlikely event of a hill I can't get up (OK, not that unlikely on the Corrieyairack, so don't knock it) the bike will contribute power to its own propulsion while you GOAP up the hill.

It can be specced with a rear carrier (essential, I think, although I am still not above strapping a basket on this thing too), mudguards, a prop stand and lights. This all adds weight of course so I'm probably back to compromises, but the rear carrier looks very lightweight in the pictures.

So watch this space.
They look like back and wrist killer handlebars and that brace bar will be torture when the knees are ready to sit you on ground for a rest ....
Is it a pedal crank motor rather than a rear wheel drive motor?

T1 Terry
 
It looks like a very small sprocket on the crank, more pedalling torque but a low actual speed when pedalling .... if it was a rear wheel motor that only powered the motor compared to pedal speed, then the faster pedalling requiring less effort would feel very similar ..... the ratio of pedal effort to climbing ability would give a sense of better motor torque

T1 Terry
 
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