Long-term ZS owners

[Data]

My ranges were in normal mode. In ECO you can add 5% or so.

For the sort of driving you are doing John your range sounds pretty ok.

 

[poldark]

The advantage of being an old retired fart is you can choose when to travel and leave in plenty of time, so 55/60 mph is enough to get you wherever you're going "on time".

My LR ZS, despite having 96k when I bought it, has achieved a 4.4 m/kWh in it's first 450 miles with me (before the recent cold snap)

However it is used primarily as a local runabout, often to Wetherspoons!!

 

[trogg]

My ZS LR was bought new in Jan this year. Firstly it's been totally reliable. Everything functions brilliantly & it's great to drive. Secondly, it's range is really good even in this cold snap. I fully balanced charged to 100% at -1c & the car still showed 299 miles in normal mode. Eco showed 308 miles. I believe the battery heating may have come on during the charge. But I'm not sure. In my running about over the last two days ACTUAL range has worked out to just under 260. That was taking the battery down to 21% & extrapolating the last bit of range. I don't normally take the battery down to very low percentage figures as it's not a good thing to do by all accounts. My mileage over the last two days has taken in A12/A14 cruising at 60mph (much better range at 60) & town & country road driving. In summer the car easily exceedes the WLTP figure of 273 miles by some way. It's all good.

That's good to know, one of my regular trips is 250 miles, so possibly I could do this without needing a public charger.
I'll be very happy if I can get those sorts of miles out of it. I know I might (will) have to drive a little slower though.

 

[JohnV6]

I think Data is quoting 100% of the battery being consumed. Realistically I wouldn't normally go below 20%. So 250 miles would be hard to hit.

Get the electroverse app it will plan your route and tell you where to charge and by how much to get home with 20% left.

Normally that is time enough for a loo break

 

[trogg]

My LR ZS has averaged 3.3 miles / kWh over 5600 miles since Jan.
Tuesday it was very cold, windy & raining when I drove up the A14 to get a new windscreen due to stone damage.
I guess 20 miles each way at 70, I live 1/2 mile from the A14. Heater on , lights, AC & wipers. I got 2.6. I used ACC so little / no regen.

I went the next day shopping via the back roads so 30-60 mph & got 3.
When I see my son in London I can get 4 plus due to the low speed.

To date with a mix of home charging & external I'm paying 3.4 p per mile.

So charging to 100% & down to 20% at 3.3 m / kWh my range is 75x3.3x.8 =198 m and at 2.6 m/kWh it is 156 m

Why little or no regen? Is it because the ACC will brake rather than use the regen when going over the set speed? ie, going downhill.
Would turning the regen to max change this ?

 

[Tim Green]

ACC on the ZS only uses the brakes to reduce speed, a hangover from being a ICE car.

 

[trogg]

ACC on the ZS only uses the brakes to reduce speed, a hangover from being a ICE car.

Thanks,
That's a shame, I was looking forward to using it.

 

[Data]

I think Data is quoting 100% of the battery being consumed. Realistically I wouldn't normally go below 20%. So 250 miles would be hard to hit.

Get the electroverse app it will plan your route and tell you where to charge and by how much to get home with 20% left.

Normally that is time enough for a loo break

Yes, that's right John. A good example was when I went to 'Everything Electric'. For me it was a 250 mile round trip. I set out with 305 miles of range in normal mode at 17c. 315 in Eco. On the way home when I'd hit 30% state of charge I decided to pop into South Mimms on the M25 just to top up the charge & get a coffee, cake & a wee! As these longer trips are still something I'm getting used to my thinking was if I ran into a diversion adding 15 or more miles to my journey I might run short of charge. So a 20 odd minute charge was added during my 30min stop adding 140 miles to the tank. Didn't need that much but was too lazy to run out & stop the charge & disconnect to avoid an idle charge.

Anyway, after calculations, it turned out that I didn't need any extra charge to get home. But the battery would have dropped down to around 6-7% soc without the top up. That means the car would have comfortably achieved a total range, had I run the battery right down, of at least 270 miles. Pretty good I thought as almost the entire journey was dual carriageways & motorways. Mostly at speeds of 60mph. I did the trip in normal mode. I hardly ever use eco.

 

[Roldorf]

Get the electroverse app it will plan your route and tell you where to charge and by how much to get home with 20% left.

Another app that is not so biased in terms of charging companies is ABRP 'A better route planner'.
If you have charging cards from companies you would prefer to charge with you can specify them in the app, which will then try to plan a route that will stop at their chargers.

 

[Data]

The Electroverse app is not biased. It will navigate you to any charge station. Anyone can use one (and the Electroverse RFID card) not just Octopus customers & it works at hundreds & hundreds of different charge company stations at home & abroad.

 

[Data]

Thanks,
That's a shame, I was looking forward to using it.

It's ok trogg. It's really not needed on longer motorway trips or when cruising at these higher speeds. Even if driving without cruise switched on the regen hardly gets used anyway. For me regen is virtually useless under those circumstances. It's great everywhere else.

 

[Roldorf]

Dave Said: The Electroverse app is not biased.

If you charge with an Electroverse RFID card you pay your money to the Electroverse charging network. Example: Osprey charger at Elm High Road, PE14 0DQ Electroverse price 87 pence,
MFG Charger at Clipbush Lane, Fakenham NR21 8SW 79 pence.
The price you pay to Electroverse/Octopus is the Osprey/MFG price + the charge taken by Electroverse for listing them in their app and using the Electroverse RFID card.

I have an Electroverse card and an Ionity card. At the same Ionity charger Niedersachsendamm 2, Delmenhorst 27751 Germany, I pay 59 cents with Ionity and 70 cents with Electroverse.
Who do you think gets the extra 11 cents?

So of course it's biased, as it wont take you to chargers where it doesn't get a kickback from the charging operators.

 

[Data]

If you charge with an Electroverse RFID card you pay your money to the Electroverse charging network. Example: Osprey charger at Elm High Road, PE14 0DQ Electroverse price 87 pence,
MFG Charger at Clipbush Lane, Fakenham NR21 8SW 79 pence.
The price you pay to Electroverse/Octopus is the Osprey/MFG price + the charge taken by Electroverse for listing them in their app and using the Electroverse RFID card.

I have an Electroverse card and an Ionity card. At the same Ionity charger Niedersachsendamm 2, Delmenhorst 27751 Germany, I pay 59 cents with Ionity and 70 cents with Electroverse.
Who do you think gets the extra 11 cents?

So of course it's biased, as it wont take you to chargers where it doesn't get a kickback from the charging operators.

Roldorf, it's seems to be different here in the UK. Over here it doesn't matter what charge company you charge at using the Electroverse card. We all get at least an 8% discount (see update below) off the charger price when we use our Electroverse cards. We also get 'price plunging', a heavy discount of upto 40% off the charge price on certain days & at certain times. It's very good & seems to beat most other schemes out there. I appreciate it might be different in Germany. Also the Electroverse app will take you to any charger you want to go to. Part of that is our charging network here in the UK is becoming very advanced. Most charging companies are signed up to the Electroverse scheme. They did this so as not to miss out on business as it's one of, if not the most popular payment schemes. Of course Octopus earns money out of it. They all do.

The pricing example you mention in your above post for MFG & Osprey is surely not correct. The Osprey price is 0.87p less 8%. Also, I was at the very same Fakenham charger you mention just two weeks ago. It was 0.79 less 8% Electroverse discount. It's 0.73p per kWh if you are an Octopus customer using Electroverse RFID.

Roldorf, just thinking this 8% discount may only be applicable to Octopus customer only! That might be the difference. I'll check & come back later.

UPDATE: yes was forgetting, you get the 8% discount only if you are an Octopus customer. Ionity gives a 5% discount to Octopus customers. But for us Octopus customers it's pretty much unbeatable. Regarding bias, that's not an issue, certainly this side of the channel as so many of the CPO's are signed up to Electroverse.

 

[Roldorf]

My lowest price charging near me is with Eulektro at 43cents 38p /Kwh. This is not even shown on the Electroverse app, so no, I have other apps that are much better than Electroverse, including navigation apps. I have spent a lot of time researching the charging infrastructure here in Europe as I am unable to charge at home due to parking restrictions where I live.
I can have an electricity account with Octopus Energy but they are not the lowest price home energy provider here.
Finally I have their card and app on my phone just in case I am stuck somewhere where I am unable to charge at a lower price. Looking at the app I have charged with them twice in the last three years both times on a road trip in France.

 

[Data]

What I've noticed about Electroverse is the constant adding of CPO's to the app making it great for anyone with Octopus as their supplier or anyone with the app or RFID card.

Like you I think it's good to have more than one method of finding & paying for charge. Is it worth having an EV package with Octopus? Your whole house drops it's electricity price to just 0.07p per KWH when charging & you'd get at least the 8% discount guaranteed.

 

[DBedford]

If you use ABRP. I would also recommend you pay for at least one months subscription, and buy a OBD2 dongle (data from which is only accessible in ABRP via subscription).
Why?, the car over estimates the percentage charge in most cases.