Macklin Motors MG Edinburgh West - MG Dealer Discussion, Opinions & Experiences

All quiet here. Is that good or bad? I got my MG4 there and I don't have any serious complaints. Except that I allowed myself to be persuaded to include a type 2 charging cable in the order, and got a generic cable rather than an MG branded cable and bag.
 
This was the 1st dealer I went to to try and get a back to back test drive of an XPower vs a Trophy ER. At first they told me this would be possible only to be told 4 weeks later they would not have demonstrators of these 2 model variants.

They did suggest that a Trophy LR and ER would drive exactly the same (so I should compare the XPower to the LR) which I thought was odd as they weigh different amounts and have different power motors.

I would love to know if anyone has experience of driving the LR and ER back to back and they do drive exactly the same as I may be wrong.
 
I am completely hacked off with this outfit. They appear to be deliberately unhelpful, and constantly challenge me why I want such things as a flat undertray, windscreen washers where the fluid actually goes on the windscreen, and the R33 software update.

When the car went in for its one-year service (which was over-priced) I requested about three different ways that R33 be applied - email to the dealership, email to their central office, and by way of the online service booking form. I practically set it to music and presented it to them as a song and dance act. When I went to pick the car up I asked if it had been done, the only response was shrugged shoulders. I checked the car, no, still on R13. I went back in and blew up at them. First, we only do it if the customer complains about something. I pointed out I had complained about five different things. I had told them I was counting the days to getting a USB player that worked properly. Shrugged shoulders. THEN there was some story about the MG servers being down.

I was also told that the (warped) undertray is secure, what was I complaining about? Absolute refusal to raise it with MG. Told me to do it myself, and maybe if I was prepared to pay for it.

I was also told that the washer jets could not be adjusted. Maybe if you took some photos of the problem? I said I had brought the car in to them with the smeared windscreen (fortuitously the problem had happened on the way to the dealer), and all they had done was wash the car so the evidence was obliterated - even though I had specifically requested that they not wash it, and told them to look on the windscreen to see what the issue was.

Another appointment was made for me to come in and get the software update. I sat there for three hours and then was told by the technician - who seemed quite sympathetic - that he had encountered a problem with the download and was reluctant to proceed in case he bricked the car. But he would get on to MG and find out how to proceed and get back to me.

EIGHT WEEKS LATER and it took a furious email from me to get any further response. I have had it with this outfit. Even if they actually do it this time, I'm changing dealers. Probably Galashiels.

This was the 1st dealer I went to to try and get a back to back test drive of an XPower vs a Trophy ER. At first they told me this would be possible only to be told 4 weeks later they would not have demonstrators of these 2 model variants.

They did suggest that a Trophy LR and ER would drive exactly the same (so I should compare the XPower to the LR) which I thought was odd as they weigh different amounts and have different power motors.

I would love to know if anyone has experience of driving the LR and ER back to back and they do drive exactly the same as I may be wrong.

This response is too late, but anyway. Last time I was there, just chatting with the salesman, he said of the X-Power "we don't sell many of them." Well, since they don't have a demonstrator or any cars in stock I'm not surprised.

My impression is that the ER is faster and more responsive than the LR, although having said that I haven't ever driven an ER.
 
I did eventually get the back to back test of the ER vs the Xpower (at another dealer) and found the stiffer suspension of the XPower and the warp drive to be closer to what I was looking for.

The choice for decent MG dealers in Edinburgh is not that great.
 
I had a call from them today, in response to my pretty furious email. The car is now booked in for the update on - 4th September. That's almost five months after the original service when it was supposed to be done.

In other, better news, I was informed (spontaneously) that there is now a fix for the undertray issue, and they can apply that at the same time. So much for all the "why are you worried about it?" and "these things are just thin plastic, they do crack" and "it's just the luck of the draw whether you get a flat one or not" and "MG won't do anything about this" and "maybe if you pay for it yourself".

I am so bloody scunnered by this one particular bloke and his attitude that I'll probably go elsewhere anyway. I'm looking at Galashiels, as I'm actually in the Borders, although admittedly Edinburgh is closer.
 
Good point, I need to check.

I note from their web site that the Galashiels dealer is now, as of 1st June this year, a fully-operational MG service and repair centre.


They also have a full range of MGs in stock for demonstration and sale. This is a big difference from April last year when the web site seemed to have been written by a teenager, first bigging up the company and then, when you clicked the links, saying they had no cars in stock. That as well as the distance was what sent me to Macklin.

I'm told, locally, that Galashiels have been an MG dealer since time immemorial, and they don't seem to deal with other marques. I think, rather than looking at the other big chains in Edinburgh, Falkirk, Stirling, even Perth, I'll try Gala.
 
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Two-year service time. I won't repeat my furious rants about what happened at the time of the one-year service, that's covered elsewhere. I had hoped to go to a different dealer for the two-year one, but circumstances (a door lock/unlock button failure) conspired against me and I found myself booking in to Macklin again, under its new identity as Vertu. I had a fairly simple wish-list.
  • do the service
  • apply the SC077 service bulletin (the LKA fix)
  • infotainment version R38 please
  • sort out the problem that the car still won't pre-heat while it's plugged in but not charging
  • fix the passenger door button
I told them in advance about the door button, I even took the car there in advance of the service and asked if they could sort out the new door handle so that it could be fitted at the time of the service, but although they eventually, after a fair bit of nagging, promised to do that, they didn't. So I'm back there again come what may.

As far as I know the software updates have been done properly this time. The infotainment update has been done, but I haven't checked the rest yet. So far so good, but then comes the bit that propelled me towards my inevitable incandescent fury.

I was told they had found a couple of things that were safety issues that should be addressed. The "couple of things" turned out to be as follows.
  • two new front undertrays due to damage. On the video they showed me this didn't look particularly serious, but I got an earful about how it could damage the "engine" (sic.) if débris got in there. A marked change of attitude from their dismissal of my concerns about the saggy rear undertray scooping up everything in its path
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  • Damage to a wheel arch again necessitating a new part. This is apparently poised to cause the car to crash if something does something and stops the wheel from turning
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  • new brake pads and discs all round, by the sound of it, because heavy corrosion
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  • regas the aircon, recommended at two years. (I would have thought this would have been included in the service if it was required maintenance, but apparently not).
I was handed a two-page list of costings for all this, which without adding up the detail looked like a big bill. My spidey-sense was going off all over the place warning me that this looked like a scam or at the very least over-selling. I was told that the brakes could be done right now because they had the parts, but that the undertrays and wheel arch liner would have to be ordered in. I said I couldn't afford all that right now and they started telling me about their finance options. I said no thanks, I need to think about this. I was also given an earful about how it all had to be genuine MG parts, which could only be supplied by an MG dealer, which suggests to me they had some idea which way my mind was tending.

I left it that I'd take the car as it was, and book it in for the door handle, and think about the rest. I didn't tell them I wasn't going to have it done, just that I wanted to think about it.

I was given the usual sheaf of paperwork, and I particularly asked for the list of advisories to be included, as somehow that had been spirited away from me. I was scolded that these weren't "advisories", they were essential, indeed urgent work. I assumed the detailed estimates for the work had been included as I asked, but when I got home it wasn't there, just the basic service ticks and crosses with no prices at all. I phoned the dealer back and was told that that work had been purged from the system as I had declined it. I said I wanted that copy of the estimates so that I could see the detailed costings to add it all up and think about it. I was told it was their property and it wasn't policy to let customers have that information. Finally the guy agreed to tell me the total cost of all the items they had listed. Almost £2,000. I yelled a bit and put the phone down. This is getting to be a bit of a habit.

Anyway, I did what I had intended to do anyway and went to my own garage with the list. The car is booked in there on Tuesday anyway, to have the tyre situation sorted out post Hardknott Pass adventures, so he will have the chance to look at these issues while he's at it. It's possible, indeed likely, that the undertray and wheel arch liner damage happened during the Hardknott pass incidents, but the question is, is it bad enough to need replacement parts?

I'm also pretty dubious that the car needs a whole new round of brake blocks and discs after 20,000 miles. At the very least I want a second opinion about this.

So I guess my present position is that if Andrew confirms some or all of this work needs done, I'll get it done. But I'm extremely reluctant to let Macklin/Vertu near it. Andrew confirms that he can order up genuine MG parts, they're not only available from MG dealers, and I'm pretty damn sure that (a) he won't recommend work unless it's necessary, and (b) he won't charge me what Macklin/Vertu were proposing to charge. But we'll see.

OK, comment away. What do you guys think? Am I being oversold/scammed? Or is the stealer on the level?
 
Two-year service time. I won't repeat my furious rants about what happened at the time of the one-year service, that's covered elsewhere. I had hoped to go to a different dealer for the two-year one, but circumstances (a door lock/unlock button failure) conspired against me and I found myself booking in to Macklin again, under its new identity as Vertu. I had a fairly simple wish-list.
  • do the service
  • apply the SC077 service bulletin (the LKA fix)
  • infotainment version R38 please
  • sort out the problem that the car still won't pre-heat while it's plugged in but not charging
  • fix the passenger door button
I told them in advance about the door button, I even took the car there in advance of the service and asked if they could sort out the new door handle so that it could be fitted at the time of the service, but although they eventually, after a fair bit of nagging, promised to do that, they didn't. So I'm back there again come what may.

As far as I know the software updates have been done properly this time. The infotainment update has been done, but I haven't checked the rest yet. So far so good, but then comes the bit that propelled me towards my inevitable incandescent fury.

I was told they had found a couple of things that were safety issues that should be addressed. The "couple of things" turned out to be as follows.
  • two new front undertrays due to damage. On the video they showed me this didn't look particularly serious, but I got an earful about how it could damage the "engine" (sic.) if débris got in there. A marked change of attitude from their dismissal of my concerns about the saggy rear undertray scooping up everything in its path
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  • Damage to a wheel arch again necessitating a new part. This is apparently poised to cause the car to crash if something does something and stops the wheel from turning
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  • new brake pads and discs all round, by the sound of it, because heavy corrosion
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  • regas the aircon, recommended at two years. (I would have thought this would have been included in the service if it was required maintenance, but apparently not).
I was handed a two-page list of costings for all this, which without adding up the detail looked like a big bill. My spidey-sense was going off all over the place warning me that this looked like a scam or at the very least over-selling. I was told that the brakes could be done right now because they had the parts, but that the undertrays and wheel arch liner would have to be ordered in. I said I couldn't afford all that right now and they started telling me about their finance options. I said no thanks, I need to think about this. I was also given an earful about how it all had to be genuine MG parts, which could only be supplied by an MG dealer, which suggests to me they had some idea which way my mind was tending.

I left it that I'd take the car as it was, and book it in for the door handle, and think about the rest. I didn't tell them I wasn't going to have it done, just that I wanted to think about it.

I was given the usual sheaf of paperwork, and I particularly asked for the list of advisories to be included, as somehow that had been spirited away from me. I was scolded that these weren't "advisories", they were essential, indeed urgent work. I assumed the detailed estimates for the work had been included as I asked, but when I got home it wasn't there, just the basic service ticks and crosses with no prices at all. I phoned the dealer back and was told that that work had been purged from the system as I had declined it. I said I wanted that copy of the estimates so that I could see the detailed costings to add it all up and think about it. I was told it was their property and it wasn't policy to let customers have that information. Finally the guy agreed to tell me the total cost of all the items they had listed. Almost £2,000. I yelled a bit and put the phone down. This is getting to be a bit of a habit.

Anyway, I did what I had intended to do anyway and went to my own garage with the list. The car is booked in there on Tuesday anyway, to have the tyre situation sorted out post Hardknott Pass adventures, so he will have the chance to look at these issues while he's at it. It's possible, indeed likely, that the undertray and wheel arch liner damage happened during the Hardknott pass incidents, but the question is, is it bad enough to need replacement parts?

I'm also pretty dubious that the car needs a whole new round of brake blocks and discs after 20,000 miles. At the very least I want a second opinion about this.

So I guess my present position is that if Andrew confirms some or all of this work needs done, I'll get it done. But I'm extremely reluctant to let Macklin/Vertu near it. Andrew confirms that he can order up genuine MG parts, they're not only available from MG dealers, and I'm pretty damn sure that (a) he won't recommend work unless it's necessary, and (b) he won't charge me what Macklin/Vertu were proposing to charge. But we'll see.

OK, comment away. What do you guys think? Am I being oversold/scammed? Or is the stealer on the level?
You would need to be very hard on the brakes to need a complete set at 20000 miles I’d say.
When I traded in the Magnette ( my MG5) at 32500 miles approximately there was minimal wear on the pads or rusting of the discs
 
Similar experience to you at my third service - recommended wheel alignment at about £160 - measurements across all 4 tyres didn't vary by even 0.1mm in each of the 3 places so why does it need alignment???

Also 'needed' rear disks and pads at about £550 but they didn't have them in stock and needed 5 days to order them in. When they called me back a couple of weeks later to book it in I asked why they hadn't replied to my email asking why SC0077 hadn't been done despite me asking before leaving, and them saying it had been done (it wasn't!). They said they would get back to me but haven't (no surprise) so the brakes will get left until the MOT in November assuming it fails. I did ask Cleevely for a quote for the disks and pads and they were more expensive than MG. Be careful with non MG doing the brakes as there is an odd way of doing them that has caused major issues with some, meaning the car had to be transported to MG to sort (something to do with winding the pistons back if I remember correctly)

I know MG probably don't allow the dealers any slack and make things difficult but the dealers don't help themselves either.
 
You would need to be very hard on the brakes to need a complete set at 20000 miles I’d say.
When I traded in the Magnette ( my MG5) at 32500 miles approximately there was minimal wear on the pads or rusting of the discs

They're talking about corrosion and pitting, not wear.
 
You would need to be very hard on the brakes to need a complete set at 20000 miles I’d say.
When I traded in the Magnette ( my MG5) at 32500 miles approximately there was minimal wear on the pads or rusting of the discs
The problem (not just with MG) seems to be that the poor quality steel rusts very quickly and as they don't get used much due to the regeneration they need replacing fairly soon.
 
Similar experience to you at my third service - recommended wheel alignment at about £160 - measurements across all 4 tyres didn't vary by even 0.1mm in each of the 3 places so why does it need alignment???

Also 'needed' rear disks and pads at about £550 but they didn't have them in stock and needed 5 days to order them in. When they called me back a couple of weeks later to book it in I asked why they hadn't replied to my email asking why SC0077 hadn't been done despite me asking before leaving, and them saying it had been done (it wasn't!). They said they would get back to me but haven't (no surprise) so the brakes will get left until the MOT in November assuming it fails. I did ask Cleevely for a quote for the disks and pads and they were more expensive than MG. Be careful with non MG doing the brakes as there is an odd way of doing them that has caused major issues with some, meaning the car had to be transported to MG to sort (something to do with winding the pistons back if I remember correctly)

I know MG probably don't allow the dealers any slack and make things difficult but the dealers don't help themselves either.

I haven't checked about SC077 to be honest, but as I told them in writing to do it, and the other dealer I talked to was able to look up my car and see that it was listed as being due for SC077, I was assuming it had been done. Is there any way to know, other than that the LKA no longer tries to kill you?

I'll be careful about the brakes, and if there is a particular issue I'll be sure to let Andrew know the details.
 
They're talking about corrosion and pitting, not wear.
Aye but the corrosion and pitting is the rusting of the steel discs which in turn wears the brake pads a bit like sandpapering which makes them thinner. It’ll be interesting to see what your local chap says.
 
They're talking about corrosion and pitting, not wear.
I was told that my brakes had corrosion at my 2 year service (c.24000 miles). They asked if I used regen a lot (I do) and simply advised me to use the brakes more, which seemed to be a reasonable response. So now I try to do that every now and then. My corrosion could be less than yours, of course, so you're sensible to let your own garage take a look.

I also had to have new front undertrays as I had caught the underside of the car on a hidden rock when pulling onto a verge on a narrow road to let a car pass. The undertrays cost just under £270. I wasn't charged any labour as they were also renewing some front suspension bushes under warranty and they had to take the undertrays off to do that, so they put the labour charge for removing and refitting the trays under the warranty claim.

I think I must be lucky with my dealer (Brown & Gammons) as they are very helpful. I'd mentioned at the first service that our car didn't have a soundproofing pad under the bonnet. I'd then forgotten all about it until I went for the second service. I mentioned it again and was told that they'd got one in ready to fit to the car, so they had taken notice and not forgotten. And this is a dealer that MG has seen fit to drop from selling new cars because their showroom isn't big enough!
 
Aye but the corrosion and pitting is the rusting of the steel discs which in turn wears the brake pads a bit like sandpapering which makes them thinner. It’ll be interesting to see what your local chap says.

It will be. I trust him. He did all the servicing on my Golf, from new, and he was able to satisfy VW that he'd done it right when the engine blew up inside the warranty period. VW kicked and screamed, but they had to give me a new engine under warranty. Also, when I took him my 10 year old dealer-serviced Peugeot to service, at a time when I thought it was clapped out but I had just bought a house and couldn't afford a new car, when I collected it after the service it was driving like a new car. It kept going for another couple of years until I fed it to the scrappage scheme and bought the Golf from the proceeds.

It's possible the MG4 does need all that stuff done but the undertray damage looks fairly minor to me, and I wonder if the brakes would do with a clean-off. Even if it all does have to be done, I imagine he can bring it in under £2,000.
 
Similar experience to you at my third service - recommended wheel alignment at about £160 - measurements across all 4 tyres didn't vary by even 0.1mm in each of the 3 places so why does it need alignment???

Also 'needed' rear disks and pads at about £550 but they didn't have them in stock and needed 5 days to order them in. When they called me back a couple of weeks later to book it in I asked why they hadn't replied to my email asking why SC0077 hadn't been done despite me asking before leaving, and them saying it had been done (it wasn't!). They said they would get back to me but haven't (no surprise) so the brakes will get left until the MOT in November assuming it fails. I did ask Cleevely for a quote for the disks and pads and they were more expensive than MG. Be careful with non MG doing the brakes as there is an odd way of doing them that has caused major issues with some, meaning the car had to be transported to MG to sort (something to do with winding the pistons back if I remember correctly)

I know MG probably don't allow the dealers any slack and make things difficult but the dealers don't help themselves either.

The problem with this outfit is rudeness. Condescending and unhelpful. Positively obstructive. First service I asked them to sort the washer jet alignment. When I came to pick it up the manager insisted the jets weren't adjustable. But could I take a picture of the smearing. I said I had brought the car in with the smearing very visible, and told them so when it was booked in. I had also declined the offer of a car wash. They had washed the car anyway, and now the evidence was gone. Then when I was driving home I discovered they had fixed the alignment!

The saga of R33 and taking five months to install it is told elsewhere.

This time, I called in more than a week before the service was due to check they had a note of everything, and asked if they could order the door handle in advance so they could fit it while the car was in. "We're very busy!" snapped the receptionist, twice. Now that's as may be, but there are ways of saying that, and that isn't one of them. Eventually she did go to check with the mechanic, with bad grace, came back and said they'd do it (without anyone looking at the car), and in the end they didn't do it at all.

Constantly telling me not to come on this forum, don't read the forums, it's all misinformation. We never read the forums! I refrained from saying that they might learn something if they did. There is precisely one staff member who has a pleasant and friendly attitude, and she's about 17.

Oh, and they've dumped their Peugeot dealership, offloaded it to Arnold Clark because it wasn't profitable, and they're going to expand the MG department into that space.
 
New discs after 20,000 miles. THey are taking the pee unless you have seriously abused the car. This is definitely let's see how much we can squeeze out an unsuspecting customer. The photos are quite poor quality, but I couldn't see significant pitting or corrosion on the discs. Taking it to your local friendly garage is definitely the right move. I have my second year service next week, and have also nearly reached 20K miles. They were a MG dealer, but MG decided to drop them. They are a family owned business with an excellent reputation. It will be interesting to see what they say too.

Also, air con regassing is a common upsell by dealers. Got that with the Golf I had, and declined it. They also told me I needed new disc and pads all round after two years. Get a grip!
 
Surely if the issue of the brakes is just pitting they can be put on the lathe? The pitting happens because they don’t get used under regenerative braking as mentioned, so they can’t have worn down too thin to be resurfaced. Sounds like complete nonsense to me.

If your a/c needs a re-gas you would know, because it would not cool the air properly. You can even test this yourself by setting it as low and fast as it goes, and measure the temp coming out the vents. I remember my local mechanic was pleased with 6,5°C for the RCZ. (They had sorted a leak in the system).

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