MG IM6 information & reviews

[MikeJS]

I see comments about 300 and 1000 miles trips.
How often these occur?
A once per year trip would influence that much?

It is not the cost that matters to me it is the range. I want to be able to stop when and where I like on a long trip and not have to stop simply to charge. I go to Cornwall 4 or 5 times a year so it most certainly matters to me. I could simply keep my Ioniq 5 for another year and see what new comes out….

 

[salty]

It is not the cost that matters to me it is the range. I want to be able to stop when and where I like on a long trip and not have to stop simply to charge. I go to Cornwall 4 or 5 times a year so it most certainly matters to me. I could simply keep my Ioniq 5 for another year and see what new comes out….

Sounds like a plan. It's looking like the IM6, wouldn't suit your needs. Shame coz it's a lovely motor.

 

[tsedge]

It is not the cost that matters to me it is the range. I want to be able to stop when and where I like on a long trip and not have to stop simply to charge. I go to Cornwall 4 or 5 times a year so it most certainly matters to me. I could simply keep my Ioniq 5 for another year and see what new comes out….l

The LR versions of the IM6 and the Tesla MY are almost exactly the same, according to the official figures, around 390 miles WLTP.

Not sure there is anything on the market that does exactly what you are looking for.

I recently inherited my dad's 10 year old diesel Golf, it does about 600 miles on a full tank. There are some requirements on which ICE still wins hands down.

 

[MikeJS]

The LR versions of the IM6 and the Tesla MY are almost exactly the same, according to the official figures, around 390 miles WLTP.

Not sure there is anything on the market that does exactly what you are looking for.

I recently inherited my dad's 10 year old diesel Golf, it does about 600 miles on a full tank. There are some requirements on which ICE still wins hands down.

However, as always there are better things to come.

 

[tsedge]

However, as always there are better things to come.

Probably, but it could take quite a while.

Makers seem to be targeting 400 miles as their upper range and about 100kWh. Beyond that, they are reducing pack size for weight, performance and cost reasons.

There just aren't many people who need a longer range than that - in Europe - it is a bit of a niche.

We have seen long range versions of many cars struggle to sell, including the MG4.

Even the long diesel range of ICE cars was never a design goal - it was simply the product of using the same size tanks as their petrol cousins, which in the case of diesel led to a massive range. But almost nobody made the tanks bigger to get more range.

Perhaps with new solid state tech, or similar, we will end up with 600 miles becoming common, but my bet is that is at least 10 years away.

 

[MikeJS]

One key thing missing from this discussion is that if the IM6 had some reasonable regen then that would help improve efficiency. Albeit that the way you drive and the weather has the greatest effect I can get far better efficiency out of my Ioniq 5 using regen than when I set it to no regen.

 

[tsedge]

One key thing missing from this discussion is that if the IM6 had some reasonable regen then that would help improve efficiency. Albeit that the way you drive and the weather has the greatest effect I can get far better efficiency out of my Ioniq 5 using regen than when I set it to no regen.

I have heard a few people complain it isn't as strong as they'd like. Hopefully this is changeable with a software update.

 

[Archev]

Probably, but it could take quite a while.

Makers seem to be targeting 400 miles as their upper range and about 100kWh. Beyond that, they are reducing pack size for weight, performance and cost reasons.

There just aren't many people who need a longer range than that - in Europe - it is a bit of a niche.

We have seen long range versions of many cars struggle to sell, including the MG4.

Even the long diesel range of ICE cars was never a design goal - it was simply the product of using the same size tanks as their petrol cousins, which in the case of diesel led to a massive range. But almost nobody made the tanks bigger to get more range.

Perhaps with new solid state tech, or similar, we will end up with 600 miles becoming common, but my bet is that is at least 10 years away.

I used to achieve around 600 miles per tank of diesel with my automatic Citroën Berlingo cars.
The MG ZS then the MG5 taught me the mindset tricks required with running an EV.
Now having returned to an e-Berlingo (with range around the 208 miles per full charge so far) I find it’s about right. It runs at 3.7 mpkWh consistently whether loaded with camping gear, two bikes or the odd half a ton of logs for a friend’s log burner.
It’s first service is booked for the 18th of this month and has been faultless other than popping a couple of 12 volt socket fuses but those were due to operator stupidity- me
It has covered 12,000 miles plus and only twice been anywhere near the bottom of the Watt tank.
The diesel’s by comparison reached negative diesel volume a couple of times requiring walkies for more motion lotion.
Vive la differev !

 

[NikLiverpool]

One key thing missing from this discussion is that if the IM6 had some reasonable regen then that would help improve efficiency. Albeit that the way you drive and the weather has the greatest effect I can get far better efficiency out of my Ioniq 5 using regen than when I set it to no regen.

Depends on where you drive.
With my Tesla when I am doing everyday driving I have the hard regen engaged. Single pedal driving makes so much sense on stop and drive conditions.
On long trips though coasting is far more electron efficient; thus I change to mild regen. I notice that coasting is better than regen.

Also with China about to ban single pedal driving I cannot see Chinese car makers pushing for harder regen or having different versions of software and OTAs pending on the market.

 

[tsedge]

Depends on where you drive.
With my Tesla when I am doing everyday driving I have the hard regen engaged. Single pedal driving makes so much sense on stop and drive conditions.
On long trips though coasting is far more electron efficient; thus I change to mild regen. I notice that coasting is better than regen.

Yes, I use the "Adaptive" regen mode on my MG4 as it gives me coasting on the motorways and strong regen in traffic, it is pretty darn good I think.

Also with China about to ban single pedal driving I cannot see Chinese car makers pushing for harder regen or having different versions of software and OTAs pending on the market.

There are already different updates depending on market - that's necessary as there is different equipment and tech depending on regulations, plus MGUK have lobbied and had changes made in the past, so I don't see why that wouldn't continue. Bear in mind also things like suspension and ride and handling are re-engineered for some local markets, like the UK.

However, I am with you about SPD, that will potentially decrease the chances of Chinese makers innovating in this area.

Edit: It is bit ironic that they are banning it on safety grounds (people losing the reflex to press the brake pedal), when the debate over here is whether it improves safety (because you stop people mistakenly hitting the accelerator instead of the brake in low-speed manoeveuring).

 

[LenEV2016]

The LR versions of the IM6 and the Tesla MY are almost exactly the same, according to the official figures, around 390 miles WLTP.

Not sure there is anything on the market that does exactly what you are looking for.

I recently inherited my dad's 10 year old diesel Golf, it does about 600 miles on a full tank. There are some requirements on which ICE still wins hands down.

The only cars under £60k that get a real world range over 300 miles (according to EV Database combined winter/summer) are

Merc cla 250, 360 miles
Model 3 LR rwd, 360
ID7 Pro S, 325
IM 5 LR, 355

And the IM6 which is looking debatable with the real world figures that are now being posted.

 

[tsedge]

The only cars under £60k that get a real world range over 300 miles (according to EV Database combined winter/summer) are

Merc cla 250, 360 miles
Model 3 LR rwd, 360
ID7 Pro S, 325
IM 5 LR, 355

And the IM6 which is looking debatable with the real world figures that are now being posted.

MY too expensive for that list?

 

[LenEV2016]

MY too expensive for that list?

Real world combined is 295 (summer winter combined)

 

[NikLiverpool]

It is quite funny with the latest changes on Tesla Model Y that the AWD has better WLTP than the Long range RWD.
They are still both below the 300 miles though based on EVdatabase. AWD WTLP is 391 while RWD is 387.
This proves how artificial this number is....

 

[LenEV2016]

Bjorn Nylands range test results for IM6 awd

120kph (74.5 mph). 2.01 mi kWh
90 kph.(56 mph) 2.64

Thirsty beast as he called it.

 

[tsedge]

Notably he didn't put the Super-ECO mode on.... but that might just be his protocol. It seemed in the video that he didn't notice that setting.

Edit: Sorry, I was referring to his IM5 test, not the IM6.

 

[MSvirus]

It is not the cost that matters to me it is the range. I want to be able to stop when and where I like on a long trip and not have to stop simply to charge. I go to Cornwall 4 or 5 times a year so it most certainly matters to me. I could simply keep my Ioniq 5 for another year and see what new comes out….

Sounds like you better wait for the semi solid state battery to arrive in Europe then

 

[tsedge]

Sounds like you better wait for the semi solid state battery to arrive in Europe then

Has it arrived anywhere yet? It has been announced multiple times for different models for a long time but there was no sign of it.

 

[NikLiverpool]

Apparently the new MG4, which may not come to Europe, has a version of semi solid.
The dilemma though for the car manufacturers is the following. Stick a big battery in a car to have like 400 miles range or a smaller, lighter one which will work miracles on weight, driving behaviour and cost but stick around 300 miles and compensate with super speedy charging?

As for the IM it is now getting a facelift in China but no comments on getting the semi solid.


Looks like the IM sales boss is keen on the second option:

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/ev-breakthrough-may-already-be-a-flop-why-mg-and-im-motors-semi-solid-state-electric-car

 

[LenEV2016]

Sounds like you better wait for the semi solid state battery to arrive in Europe then

There are other cars out there under £50k that will do the range required just not an SUV style ev