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[LenEV2016]

I’m a manufacturing engineer (UK) that works with a lot of field service engineers, and to those that I’ve shown my IM6 to have all said how fit they would be for their company car.

As for range, I would guess you’d get 300 miles minimum out of a single charge given the amount of high speed driving you’d do.

I’m off to Chessington this Monday, so I should be able to give you a more accurate range for motorway driving.

As posted in another thread, EV database reckons 230miles for mostly motorway (70mph) driving in winter and 295 miles in better weather, so maybe a bit optimistic with 300 minimum.

Personally I have always found ev database to pretty accurate with the EVs I've had.

To use an ice term it's a big, heavy thirsty car.

that video @tsedge posted earlier in the thread showed a real world efficiency on the London to Cornwall run of only 2.8 miles per KW, that was done in wet conditions but worth bearing in mind it was done recently in mild conditions so in winter will be less and that was the long range version, confirms EV databases figures

 

[Chukensky]

As posted in another thread, EV database reckons 230miles for mostly motorway (70mph) driving in winter and 295 miles in better weather, so maybe a bit optimistic with 300 minimum.

Personally I have always found ev database to pretty accurate with the EVs I've had.

To use an ice term it's a big, heavy thirsty car.

that video @tsedge posted earlier in the thread showed a real world efficiency on the London to Cornwall run of only 2.8 miles per KW, that was done in wet conditions but worth bearing in mind it was done recently in mild conditions so in winter will be less and that was the long range version, confirms EV databases figures

That would give an estimate range of 270, no? I have a mix of motorway and b roads to work and I average 3.3 miles/kw. Maybe 230 is for the performance?

 

[LenEV2016]

That would give an estimate range of 270, no? I have a mix of motorway and b roads to work and I average 3.3 miles/kw. Maybe 230 is for the performance?

230 miles is for winter months, 295 for milder weather, this is for the long range only.

As I said the 295 matches the what car test in the video, mix of roads to Cornwall and back which was carried out in milder weather

 

[Chukensky]

230 miles is for winter months, 295 for milder weather, this is for the long range only.

As I said the 295 matches the what car test in the video, mix of roads to Cornwall and back which was carried out in milder weather

Apologies, I replied whilst out so I completely misunderstood your last comment. My bad.

 

[LenEV2016]

Not a problem

 

[Bam Bam]

EV database's 'cold weather' scenario is -10 degrees. Not completely unknown, but very rare in the UK. Plus you could heat it while plugged in if you knew it was a super cold night.

 

[LenEV2016]

EV database's 'cold weather' scenario is -10 degrees. Not completely unknown, but very rare in the UK. Plus you could heat it while plugged in if you knew it was a super cold night.

60/65 miles less in winter is not that an unusual figure to expect compared to summer, certainly roughly what I see with the three EVs I currently have access to and my previous EV also

60/65 miles less in winter is not that an unusual figure to expect compared to summer, certainly roughly what I see with the three EVs I currently have access to and my previous EV also

I guess that kind of cold is much more likely for you in Scotland than in London or the South Coast. OP lives in Banbury which could get cold as it is furthest from the coast.

EV database figures are very useful as a 'worst case scenario' range. You need to get home even in the worst case scenario!

 

[LenEV2016]

60/65 miles less in winter is not that an unusual figure to expect compared to summer, certainly roughly what I see with the three EVs I currently have access to and my previous EV also


I guess that kind of cold is much more likely for you in Scotland than in London or the South Coast. OP lives in Banbury which could get cold as it is furthest from the coast.

EV database figures are very useful as a 'worst case scenario' range. You need to get home even in the worst case scenario!

I think most UK members will admit to a considerable range drop in winter no matter where in the UK they live

 

[Bam Bam]

I think most UK members will admit to a considerable range drop in winter no matter where in the UK they live

Sure, I'd expect to get maybe 4mi/kWh in Summer and 3.2mi/kWh in Winter.

My point was that their 'winter' figure is for the continental winter, which is worst-case UK winter day not an average (or mild) one.

Most of the time the UK conditions will be somewhere between their Winter and Summer figures.

 

[LenEV2016]

Sure, I'd expect to get maybe 4mi/kWh in Summer and 3.2mi/kWh in Winter.

I agree with you but if you use your figures for an MG 4 that's 247 and 197 miles (using the 4's 61.7 kWh usable capacity) so 50 miles difference.
On a 100kWh battery car like the IM6 long range that's 80 miles less in winter, using your figures so the EV database figures are close enough.

And it obviously isn't as efficient as an MG 4, not getting close to 4 miles per kWh in mild weather as it only got 2.8 on the What Car test.

 

[MikeJS]

I think most UK members will admit to a considerable range drop in winter no matter where in the UK they live

My range difference for my Ioniq 5 AWD with Heat Pump is only around 40 miles and I keep the AC on auto all the time.

 

[LenEV2016]

My range difference for my Ioniq 5 AWD with Heat Pump is only around 40 miles and I keep the AC on auto all the time.

Yeah some cars are better than others and a heat pump certainly helps on longer journeys.
At the end of the day I'm not disagreeing with anything anyone has said it was merely a reply to an earlier post

As for range, I would guess you’d get 300 miles minimum out of a single charge given the amount of high speed driving you’d do.

My reply was just that that figure was optimistic given the result in the test that @tsedge had posted, and that figure would be less in winter it then went off topic a bit about the conditions used.for winter testing.

It's better to be realistic with the figures as the op queried the range

 

[MaoDiggyMao]

Would it be better to get the IM5 long range instead then?

Sacrificing the storage space for range is bit of a bummer though

 

[LenEV2016]

Would it be better to get the IM5 long range instead then?

Sacrificing the storage space for range is bit of a bummer though

Only you can make that decision the 6 is a big thirsty car but you aren't paying for your charging away from home, so not going to cost you personally.
I've not seen a similar test for the IM 5 as the one posted for the 6 but I would imagine it would be more economical. Going by EV Database it averages 40 miles more range than the 6

If range is a big thing the IM5 came 10th in the ev database longest real world range ranking and to put it into perspective the next cheapest car on that list was £59k so alot of car for the money.
Entirely a personal decision though

 

[Chukensky]

An update!

Drove from Corby, Northamptonshire to Chessington World of Adventures and at over 227 miles, i averaged 3.4 miles/kWh. HOWEVER, anybody thats driven on the M25 at rush hour knows that you're never comfortably sitting at 70mph, instead you're averaging about 50-60mph, so these figures might not be too credible.

From this, I suppose you could look at getting circa 300miles out of a single charge when actually sitting at 70mph, maybe?

I have picked out a few more issues I have with the IM6, but i'll post that separately.

 

[tsedge]

Very roughly (rule of thumb) you will get 3/4 of the efficiency or range you get at 55mph when driving at 70mph.

So 3.4mi/kWh at 55mph is likely to become 2.6mi/kWh at 70mph.

 

[salty]

I think most UK members will admit to a considerable range drop in winter no matter where in the UK they live

Agree. Starting to notice it already.

 

[Anon70]

Bjorn Nyland has an IM5 and should be generating some real World numbers from his testing. Usually find he generates a lot of stats you can look at and compare

 

[Bam Bam]

Bjorn Nyland has an IM5 and should be generating some real World numbers from his testing. Usually find he generates a lot of stats you can look at and compare

He's just done an initial impression. He doesn't have it long enough (or time in general) to do his tests with it.

He must just spend all his time driving and editing videos about driving!

 

[LenEV2016]

He's just done an initial impression. He doesn't have it long enough (or time in general) to do his tests with it.

He must just spend all his time driving and editing videos about driving!

Not a bad gig if you can get it!

One of the most knowledgeable guys out there and he gets access to pretty much any car he wants