Pay per mile. Another blow for EV drivers

[tsedge]

Yes, 3p per mile from April 2028, RFL continues as it is now.

VED, not RFL. The roads are funded from general taxation now, it isn't ring fenced.

The new charge is eVED, on top of VED.

 

[Black estate]

Sorry if I've missed this in the past 15 pages - so 3p/mile plus RFL?

Yep

 

[OriginalBigAl]

The way Ian is racing up the league table, is he Rachels secret advisor?

 

[MG Clive]

The way Ian is racing up the league table, is he Rachels secret advisor?

Ian ?

 

[MG Clive]

VED, not RFL. The roads are funded from general taxation now, it isn't ring fenced.

Yes of course, I was just replying like for like

 

[jackois]

I pity you if your life is that rushed.

ditto... 2 hours driving, stop, charge the car (takes about 30 minutes) coffee, snack and a stretch of the legs has revolutionised a journey that used to be non stop, (apart from a stop and splash if needed} and get home wired to the moon from concentration... an hour longer but so much more chilled with the EV and charging stops...

 

[OriginalBigAl]

Ian ?

Try not to be nervous but the way this thread is going 5th place is will soon be making a late bid for the top spot.

 

[tsedge]

Yes of course, I was just replying like for like

Sorry, meant to correct the original poster, not you.

 

[PeterHR2]

It's everyone's democratic (and undemocratic) right to complain about taxation (I do, too). Hell, it's been happening at least since Robin Hood was 'alive', after those pesky Normans poked Harold in the eye at Hastings... and I think the Bible mentions such issues. However, services, defence of the realm, etc. have to be paid for somehow.

Even with the measures announced today, the UK total tax burden doesn't come anywhere near what it does in large parts of Europe, where people from the UK often visit and compliment those countries on various aspects of their society's services that seem superior to those in ol' Blighty. (I wonder why they are better!)

"AI Overview

When comparing the total tax burden across Europe, Scandinavian and Western European countries generally have higher tax rates than the UK. According to Eurostat data from 2024, the countries with the highest tax-to-GDP ratio were Denmark (45.8%), France (45.3%), and Belgium (45.1%). In contrast, the UK's tax burden was forecast to be lower at 37.7% of GDP by 2027–2028.
Tax burden can be measured in different ways, including overall tax-to-GDP ratios, top income tax rates, and the average tax burden on labor.

Overall tax-to-GDP ratio
The tax-to-GDP ratio provides the broadest picture of a country's tax burden, showing total tax revenue as a percentage of its gross domestic product.
Top EU countries by tax-to-GDP ratio in 2024:

1. Denmark: 45.8%
2. France: 45.3%
3. Belgium: 45.1%
4. Austria: 43.8%
5. Sweden: 42.5%

In comparison, the UK's tax-to-GDP ratio was 35.3% in 2023, and while it is expected to rise, it will likely remain below the levels seen in many of these nations. The main reason for the difference is that many Western European countries raise significantly more revenue from social security contributions than the UK."

 

[tsedge]

Well said. I think though the feeling here in the UK is that the taxes we have are not well spent - we don't have enough to show for them, so if they did rise to 45% we would not become a Scandinavian paradise.

One of the reasons people campaign for lower taxes is exactly this; successive governments of all colours are so bad at spending the money that the best/least we can do is minimise the bill!

 

[LenEV2016]

You are probably right! Maybe Reform will reform it, since they look the most likely replacements at the moment.


If that happens then that may very well be the end of the Union, Reform in power could well do the hapless donuts that run Scotland at the moment jobs for them

 

[PeterHR2]

@tsedge The thing is, it is likely just that: a perception. Yes, there are always going to be instances of poorly spent public money (and fraud), and those will be pounced on by the press, especially if they have political axes to bear, and these should be minimised. But in the round, compared with the total government budgets (of whatever political colour), those total to really piddling amounts.

 

[tsedge]

Perhaps. I find the dominant perception where I live is the one I outlined, but yes people think differently on this and debating it is a good thing.

I don't believe it is mainly media-driven, I think it is experience-driven.

My decade plus spent consulting (which was 50% public sector organisations) opened my eyes to how dysfunctional our institutions are and the enormous scope to improve them.

My experiences with my dad in hospital recently confirmed both of my views about the NHS (wonderful people but a completely broken system).

Anyway, though it is good to talk, I have overdone it already on this thread!

 

[colsky]

Though they are moving the £40k list price luxury vehicle tax up to £50k list price.

I've just watched some of the budget speech back, and when Reeves announced this 40k to 50k increase she said that it would save some EV owners £440 a year (I listened back to check the amount that she said). Isn't it £425 and not £440?!! Good to know that she knows her facts!

 

[tsedge]

I've just watched some of the budget speech back, and when Reeves announced this 40k to 50k increase she said that it would save some EV owners £440 a year (I listened back to check the amount that she said). Isn't it £425 and not £440?!! Good to know that she knows her facts!

The amounts go up each year with CPI, so she might be talking about future year figures.

 

[siteguru]

My mate from my table tennis club has an EV (Skoda Enyaq) ... he typically does about 20k miles per year, so 3p per mile is going to cost him an extra £600.

 

[securespark]

Whatever we think about taxes, I do think it is utterly ridiculous to do this when the Govt. are trying to encourage EV ownership in the run-up to the phasing out of ICE.