Pay per mile. Another blow for EV drivers

[NikLiverpool]

Not surprised by this.
I read a good article yesterday about the tax on EVs and private pensions.
Apparently both were kicked further down the line in the hopes that by then the economy will be in better position and they will be able to revise...
Let's see.

 

[salty]

Let’s be really clear here folks !.
Now the government have introduced a “pay per mile” system change on EV’s and PHEV’s from 2028, this is only the introduction into expanding this system on to ALL fuel types for private vehicles.

No doubt you are correct, but why experiment on us, first.

 

[PeterHR2]

I recently inherited my dad's 2014 diesel Golf, only done 64,000 miles.

Had planned to swap it for an EV to become a 2 EV household, but it is only £35/yr VED and does 50mpg... and is cheap to insure.... and parts are cheap as chips.

So am thinking about just keeping it. I don't want to face up to £1000/yr VED every March with 2 EVs.

Fuel duty is approx £2.88/gallon or 52.95p/litre plus VAT, total 63.54p/litre. So at 50mpg you are paying 5.76p per mile. Just for comparison purposes. The other savings look good though, unfortunately.

I'd just like to point out that I think all 2014 VW Golfs (very willing to be corrected) were affected by the Dieselgate emissions scandal and if the true emissions were ever to be taken into account then they would likely be in band G for VED, which is currently £265 pa. Then again, real-life economics is a powerful persuader.

 

[tsedge]

I'd just like to point out that I think all 2014 VW Golfs (very willing to be corrected) were affected by the Dieselgate emissions scandal and if the true emissions were ever to be taken into account then they would likely be in band G for VED, which is currently £265 pa. Then again, real-life economics is a powerful persuader.

If you are saying the current bands for older cars need changing, I am completely with you. It is bonkers that EVs end up paying more than much older ICE cars.

 

[tsedge]

I am wondering how the government expects the bulk of people without EVs to afford to run them?

If you on a lower income and can't have home charging you are looking at double the cost to charge as an ICE vehicle costs to fuel. Then 3p/mile on top.

Why on earth would these people get EVs before they absolutely were forced to?

Where are the measures to reduce the cost of public charging? We will get more chargers, yes, but that's no use if the prices stay high.

 

[Miles Roberts CG]

Some quick graphs, comparing the cost of Petrol/Diesel/Electric currently (on the left side), with what has been proposed - not including any inflation between now and 2028, but taking into account the 5p/litre increase for Petrol and Diesel Fuel Duty - due Sept 2026 - and the 3p/mile charge for EV (on the right side).

Assumptions made:

• Petrol car, £1.319 per litre, 36mpg average (+5p/litre on RHS)
• Diesel car, £1.409 per litre, 43mpg average (+5p/litre on RHS)
• Electric car, 3.7 miles per kWh average (7p off-peak, 27p daytime, 45p public destination charger, 75p rapid charger)

 

[tsedge]

Does highlight the need to halve the cost of rapid chargers, or make destination chargers so ubiquitous that they work for those without home charging (preferably both).

 

[salty]

If you are saying the current bands for older cars need changing, I am completely with you. It is bonkers that EVs end up paying more than much older ICE cars.

Mmm, personally I've never begrudged what perks, other motorists get. We are all drivers at the end of the day. Good luck to um, I say.
Unlike ICE driver's who begrudge, every single little perk EV drivers did get, and notice I used the word did.

 

[PeterHR2]

I am wondering how the government expects the bulk of people without EVs to afford to run them?

If you on a lower income and can't have home charging you are looking at double the cost to charge as an ICE vehicle costs to fuel. Then 3p/mile on top.

Why on earth would these people get EVs before they absolutely were forced to?

Where are the measures to reduce the cost of public charging? We will get more chargers, yes, but that's no use if the prices stay high.

I seem to recall that it was announced in the budget that there'd be a review into public charging costs (running from spring to autumn in 2026 I think, but could def be wrong on time scale). Presumably Tesla are making a decent profit on their chargers, which begs the question why Gridserve (which I do use regularly on trips) and others currently [pun intended] charge as much as they do.

And there are planning changes afoot/being explored to make on-street charging easier for households with no offroad parking/home charging facilities.

So by the time 2028 comes around the charging landscape will likely be a bit different. Here's hoping charging costs, if not coming down by then, are at least not going up wrt today's prices.

 

[JohnV6]

Dream on.

 

[tsedge]

I don't think we need a long drawn out enquiry into public charging, the issues are well known.

There are 3 simple things they can do right now to dramatically reduce Rapid charger costs:

1. Cap the cost of electricity supply for public charging and make it usage, not supply based: currently this is at uncapped commercial rates and sites often pay high capacity-based fees regardless of usage.

2. Zero-rate public charging for VAT purposes. Not 5%, eliminate it completely.

3. Create a large tax writeoff against capital costs for the construction of new capacity: new sites and expansions, reducing the costs.

Properly done this would halve prices.

 

[Lovemyev]

No doubt you are correct, but why experiment on us, first.

It’s the divide and conquer strategy.
Start with the small fish first.
If you ask any ICE driver if they agree that EV’s should be paying more than they currently are, then of course they are going to say YES !.
Not stopping to think for one second, if a pay per mile system works successfully on EV’s it will then be brought in on private ICE vehicles.
Be careful what you wish for I say !.
These things have a nasty habit of turning around and biting you firmly on the arse.
You can see the comments from the government now.
“Well, we decided to introduce the pay per mile system on ICE vehicles, because you said it was fair system, when we implemented it on EV’s ?” .
It’s all gone quiet now .

 

[Vipar]

Gonna watch The Martin Lewis show special on budget and LV,starting now

 

[Roger001]

Well, the UK government has decided that EV owners should start paying towards the upkeep of the road network by imposing a cost per mile tax. This does make sense as ICE drivers have always paid such taxes as they are just added to the fuel they purchase, but their solution is that the charge will be based on the car's odometer being recorded once a year.

I don't think that the government has a clue about how cars are built or how long it takes for standards to be updated. As it stands just about every car in production uses the CAN bus standard to connect all the different electronic control units (ECUs) within the car together. This standard has less security than the average 1998 home internet connection.

The result will be that the UK should become the major testing ground for all the devices that are sold to block the car's ability to record mileage. The real joke is that such a device on an MG4 would work far better than how my 1974 MGB would need to be modified to achieve the same result.

To give everyone a feel for how much of a mess this is likely to be, such devices can legally be sold and fitted in the UK for "Perfect for tuning workshops, dynos and motorsport enthusiasts." and unlike an MGB where the whole speedo is disconnected until you can get behind the dash to reconnect the cable on a modern car the device can be enabled and disabled at will via a few button presses, with only the kWh/mile consumption being reported incorrectly.

 

[Rolfe]

Just merged that post into the existing thread - let's keep all the bellyaching in one place.

 

[MG Clive]

Gonna watch The Martin Lewis show special on budget and LV,starting now

Was there anything relating to the 3p per mile proposal ?

 

[GranTurismoEra]

Lol no one will elect these people again. They know theyre done.

 

[Ian Key]

Lol no one will elect these people again. They know theyre done.

They are doing well. They previously pissed off the pensioners with the fiasco over the winter fuel payments and now they've done over EV owners and landlords.

 

[jackois]

They are doing well. They previously pissed off the pensioners with the fiasco over the winter fuel payments and now they've done over EV owners and landlords.

I think they are doing well... would you like to go back to 'stupid bloody' Johnson and his ilk or maybe hand everything over to Farage the spiv?

At some point, the bills need to be paid... and it won't be the rich improving anything other than their bank balances...

 

[salty]

Just merged that post into the existing thread - let's keep all the bellyaching in one place.

Wouldn't call it bellyaching. Where just commenting on yet another little kick in the teeth to EVs. First VED now PPP what next ***. Any cost rise, for motorists in general, not just EVs is not good.
And as we can't do naff all about it, we come on here, and have a good Chirp about it. Nowt wrong with that.