They are doing well. They previously pissed off the pensioners with the fiasco over the winter fuel payments and now they've done over EV owners and landlords.
I think they are doing well... would you like to go back to 'stupid bloody' Johnson and his ilk or maybe hand everything over to Farage the spiv?

At some point, the bills need to be paid... and it won't be the rich improving anything other than their bank balances...
 
Just merged that post into the existing thread - let's keep all the bellyaching in one place.

Wouldn't call it bellyaching. Where just commenting on yet another little kick in the teeth to EVs. First VED now PPP what next ***. Any cost rise, for motorists in general, not just EVs is not good.
And as we can't do naff all about it, we come on here, and have a good Chirp about it. Nowt wrong with that. 🙂👍
 
Either way youll pay 🫵🏼 and like it. Then a random lady will knock on your door offering free insulation and double glazing if you stop working and get on benefits. Heavily discounted solar panels. Then when i tell her so I go to work and need to pay 10k for windows while some people get it for free. She looks at me and smiles then put her hand out like she doesn't know how to reply to the statement. Shes dumbfounded.

So I take away that im being a mug for working when i could get on the dole and get all windows upgraded for free. Also heavily discounted solar panels too. Ive been an idiot i tell you.

I should get it, i have paid into the system. Instead of allocating my contributions to the generational work shy. How about i get a bit of that cash, you feel me?

How about a BMW or Merc. Ill stay humble and suggest an MG to save the government money.
 
I spotted a minor silver lining in the pay-per-mile cloud consultation document...

The consultation document said:
4.2 eVED is intended to replace lost fuel duty revenue from cars over the long term so, like fuel duty, the amount motorists pay will var ybased on the amount they drive. Through the tax design, the government has sought to ensure the system is fair, respects motorists ’privacy and is as simple as possible to comply with. From 1 April 2028,VED on EV and PHEVs will continue to apply alongside eVED on mileage, from the point of their next VED renewal.

So, as we've all (hopefully) aligned our VED renewal periods to March 2025 to avoid this year's VED on EV's, then - if I'm reading that correctly - we'll be renewing our VED in March 2028, so the eVED charge won't commence for us until March 2029. Just make sure you get your renewal date back to March if you change your EV in the meantime.
 
I spotted a minor silver lining in the pay-per-mile cloud consultation document...

The consultation document said:
4.2 eVED is intended to replace lost fuel duty revenue from cars over the long term so, like fuel duty, the amount motorists pay will var ybased on the amount they drive. Through the tax design, the government has sought to ensure the system is fair, respects motorists ’privacy and is as simple as possible to comply with. From 1 April 2028,VED on EV and PHEVs will continue to apply alongside eVED on mileage, from the point of their next VED renewal.
Technically, this says Existing VED continues to apply alongside from next VED renewal, it doesn't say that eVED only starts from your next renewal.

You might still be right, but I don't find this language unambiguous.
 
Technically, this says Existing VED continues to apply alongside from next VED renewal, it doesn't say that eVED only starts from your next renewal.

You might still be right, but I don't find this language unambiguous.
Totally agree - very ambiguous - which is why I said "if I'm reading it correctly". Obviously being a consultation document there's likely to be changes anyway. But... as the document refers to eVED as being a simple process with only one interaction a year with DVLA, together with the process of paying a lump sum or DD payments over the year with your VED, then it sort of makes sense that (as currently planned) the VED and eVED will be inextricably linked 🤞.
 
Yes indeed.

I do hope people take the time to give their views on this consultation. I understand skepticism, but if a large number of people push back with constructive comments, we can improve it.

I'm intending to say:

- The tax should not be paid in advance (fuel duty isn't) and there's no good justification for that, especially as significant numbers of people won't have a predictable mileage.

- By paying in arrears, it is much simplified: you simply enter the mileage you drove the previous year when you retax your car. If you want to spread the cost out, just allow people to pay in instalments as with existing VED.

- To simply buying and selling, simply allow people to update their mileage any time they want during the year, so they can pay for what they've used whenever they like. This will also make it easier for dealers and motor traders.

- To simplify checking the mileage, introduce annual MOTs for all cars from 12 months old. Many new EVs are not receiving regular servicing checks so arguably this is important as there could be serious faults during the first 3 years that are not picked up, especially suspenion-related with heavy cars and bad roads. The additional cost for those able to afford new cars is small and it takes advantage of the existing MOT network.

- To make the scheme more consistent with government goals, revise the existing VED bands for ICE and older cars, so that there is an incentive to move to EVs, rather than hang on to old cars just because they attract £20/£35 VED. EVs should be given an advantage roughly consistent with the goals of this scheme: ie half the cost of comparable ICE vehicles.

- Tie-in the scheme to insurance databases, so that discrepancies between insured mileage and declared mileage can be monitored and used to better detect "clocking".

Of course, it might be better to delay or abandon this scheme altogether in favour of a different solution: eg motorway tolling by ANPR cameras, but that's probably outside the scope of this consultation.
 
I don't get my state pension until 2032 ... and it'll all be taxable as my work pension (that I took early) already uses up my tax free allowance. Plus my previous work pension comes due in 2030, so that'll all be taxable too. 🙄
It's hardly worth having additional pensions, it's just more money for Rachel. :confused:
 
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