Yoke steering wheel

4Rens said:
Then I'm glad I'm just in time 😂.
It's strange that the Lexus is now also coming out with a Yoke steering wheel 🤔

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Yes, but the Lexus is steer by wire like the Cybertruck. Meaning lock to lock is just over 180 degrees and not 2 and 1/2 full rotations like in a standard mechanical system.

SunriseJak said:
Yes, but the Lexus is steer by wire like the Cybertruck. Meaning lock to lock is just over 180 degrees and not 2 and 1/2 full rotations like in a standard mechanical system.
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What I meant is 180 each direction. The Lexus is only 300 degrees full lock to lock both directions. It's also speed sensitive and programmable. So very little hand over hand movements needed.
 
SunriseJak said:
What I meant is 180 each direction. The Lexus is only 300 degrees full lock to lock both directions. It's also speed sensitive and programmable. So very little hand over hand movements needed.
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Presumably they're only banning the yolk for multi-turn systems, which is the right decision if so.
 
4Rens said:
Correct! This system is called "Steer by Wire," which the Cyberster doesn't have.
But personally I don't steer less because of it 😂
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Reading more in the media the yoke issues revolve around air bag deployment. With the top and bottom portions of the steering wheel missing the airbag may not be as functional and even dangerous. Test methods are not possible with the yoke design. It seems now to be a safety issue and not a physical operation issue.
 
This reported by InsidEVs and also describes the inability to test as the new standards require "rim impact test points" which yokes don't have.
 
In this case it's not about "folks" liking it disliking. It's about Chinese proposed regulations. Not sure how valid their reasoning is. I'm just the messenger.
 
Yes. It's indeed a personal choice. I suggest searching and reading a summary titled "Yokes over, say Chinese lawmakers". It describes their rationale. I just find the decision interesting and pertinent to our discussions.
 
The proposed Chinese ban on yokes has nothing to do with their steering abilities - or lack of variable ratios.

It is all about driver safety in impact situations: they have regulations coming in requiring impact testing at 10 points around the "wheel", which obviously doesn't work well with a yoke which is missing some of the 10 points completely!

This is down to the way they've drafted the other changes. It might be possible for a yoke to still comply, but it would take an out-of-the-box solution, such as additional air bags or something.

Happily, the wheels will still be able to be aftermarket replaced in markets where yokes are legal.
 
tsedge said:
The proposed Chinese ban on yokes has nothing to do with their steering abilities - or lack of variable ratios.

It is all about driver safety in impact situations: they have regulations coming in requiring impact testing at 10 points around the "wheel", which obviously doesn't work well with a yoke which is missing some of the 10 points completely!

This is down to the way they've drafted the other changes. It might be possible for a yoke to still comply, but it would take an out-of-the-box solution, such as additional air bags or something.

Happily, the wheels will still be able to be aftermarket replaced in markets where yokes are legal.
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Thanks for the well done summary. Early reports were all over the place with various suppositions. This is quite clear. 👍
 
Anyone who has seen a slow-motion shot of an airbag should understand this. The airbag inflates and supports itself around the steering wheel, fixing itself in place so that the driver's head can be perfectly cushioned. This provides 100% protection. If the upper arch of the steering wheel is missing, the airbag can move there and the driver's head will hit the steering wheel. It's actually logical when you think about it. This is probably one of the reasons why people are considering banning yoke steering wheels.


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Jackolino said:
Anyone who has seen a slow-motion shot of an airbag should understand this. The airbag inflates and supports itself around the steering wheel, fixing itself in place so that the driver's head can be perfectly cushioned. This provides 100% protection. If the upper arch of the steering wheel is missing, the airbag can move there and the driver's head will hit the steering wheel. It's actually logical when you think about it. This is probably one of the reasons why people are considering banning yoke steering wheels.
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I'd have thought that if a driver's head was going to hit the steering wheel, it would hit the top half of it, so that should make the yoke wheel less of a danger.
 
MG Clive said:
I'd have thought that if a driver's head was going to hit the steering wheel, it would hit the top half of it, so that should make the yoke wheel less of a danger.
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The head hits the airbag, which protects you. And the airbag was invented because in the past, the head used to hit the steering wheel with serious consequences! Take a look at some videos on YouTube, where you can see very clearly how the airbag supports the steering wheel.
 
GranTurismoEra said:
Yokes are just for taxiing to the slip road. Lol. Rest of the time ADAS, Cruise systems can be used. 2026. We shouldn't need to manually drive anymore 🙃. Now put your feet up and sip some coffee ☕
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I often drive myself on autopilot, thinking about something else entirely, but my autopilot is built-in to me. :)
 
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