Does the MG4 come with a heat pump?

[Cocijo]

From his own data it shows up to a 0.5 mile/kWh improvement during the months where you need extra range the most. That would be an extra 30 miles range in a LR.

£2500 is what you pay for an extra 63 miles going from MG4 SR to LR so even if it was £900 for a heat pump I still think it would be reasonable value.

Yes, the extra range is great. But how often would you need to use that last 30miles? As lovemyev has said it’s a personal preference.

 

[BugEyed]

There is lots of anecdotal stuff The official Range Test results don’t change either on cars specified with a heat pump…

Because they are done with the heating off ......

Yes, the extra range is great. But how often would you need to use that last 30miles? As lovemyev has said it’s a personal preference.

It's extra range at the time of year when most people get closest to the limit of the range of their car. But as you quote - it's a personal preference that MG UK have denied buyers in the UK whereas MG Europe have allowed buyers. On which point I have to say that I don't understand the limited differences between the two SE models in the UK ........

 

[tsedge]

The whole basis of that analysis was flawed - it assumes that the £900 is the cost to the manufacturer of fitting the extra as standard (it will be less than a quarter of that), and that the main heating or cooling cycle is only going to be done once per full charge. The reality is that most people do a series of shorter journeys within the full range, hence the much lower efficiency of the 2 vs the 4+ which amounted to closer to 1/2 mile/kWh out of 3.5miles/kWh, so around 15%. Hence using the £900 and 30p/kWh you get something closer to 70,000 miles payback. If you use a lower actual cost to fit the heat pump the distance comes down significantly - closer to 20,000 miles.
In the MG4 there's a general lack of efficiency in comparison to the best examples from other manufacturers. Whether the heat pump is better to fit than hunting down the other issues is open to question.

It is the consumer cost that matters and in the marketplace the premium for a heatpump is around £1,000. I am sure MG's cost would be a lot less than that but the reason we have a low price is precisely because they have cut out things like this (and rain sensor, front parking sensor, rear interior lights, rear speakers on the SE, rear wiper, wireless carplay/aa, full leather on Trophy, frunk, rear armrest/ski hatch, grab handles and more). So I think not having a heatpump is completely consistent with the intended market for the car. I would like a SR Trophy spec to be offered.

 

[BugEyed]

It is the consumer cost that matters

Agreed

in the marketplace the premium for a heatpump is around £1,000

Maybe with other manufacturers but as you say MG charge a lower premium for other items such as increased battery capacity.

the reason we have a low price is precisely because they have cut out things like this (and rain sensor, front parking sensor, rear interior lights, rear speakers on the SE, rear wiper, wireless carplay/aa, full leather on Trophy, frunk, rear armrest/ski hatch, grab handles and more).

But the point is that none of those items are in the European models, but the heat pump is in the Luxury at a similar cost to the UK Trophy.

 

[tsedge]

But the point is that none of those items are in the European models, but the heat pump is in the Luxury at a similar cost to the UK Trophy.

I expect it costs more to bring the cars here due to exchange rates, market size and lack of subsidies. We can’t really compare costs across different markets, there are too many variables.

 

[Lovemyev]

I expect it costs more to bring the cars here due to exchange rates, market size and lack of subsidies. We can’t really compare costs across different markets, there are too many variables.

This fairly common across other manufactures also.
Even down to interior trim colours, wheel designs etc etc.
What is standard or even an option on certain models in Europe, is not even on offer in the U.K.
Who does decides what we get, or not get for the home UK market ?.
MG5 has a lighter grey trim in Europe, do we get it ?.
Of course not !.

 

[memo]

I expect it costs more to bring the cars here due to exchange rates, market size and lack of subsidies. We can’t really compare costs across different markets, there are too many variables.

I must be honest I have never understood why uk has always been much more expensive for a new car than europe. the subsidies have no bearing as this is a direct subsidy to the end user, doesn't affect import.

Import duty on a new car is the same 10% uk and 10% spain. in fact should be dearer in spain as VAT here is 21% wher'as it´'s if i remember correctly "only 20%" in uk.

In fact you would expect UK to be cheaper as there are more cars sent to UK than here so I would have thought ecconomies of scale would have a bearing, but no. a uk trophy is listed at 31,495 pounds at todays exchange rate thats €36,255 and at its present state of the uk eccomomy that rate means the price would be closer. Yet here you can have the Luxury your trophy for €34,280, like €2,000 cheaper and our "trophy has 11kw ac charger and a Heatpump as standard"

But I imagine the real reason is because they can, pure and simple.

 

[Rip Van]

I must be honest I have never understood why uk has always been much more expensive for a new car than europe. the subsidies have no bearing as this is a direct subsidy to the end user, doesn't affect import.

Import duty on a new car is the same 10% uk and 10% spain. in fact should be dearer in spain as VAT here is 21% wher'as it´'s if i remember correctly "only 20%" in uk.

In fact you would expect UK to be cheaper as there are more cars sent to UK than here so I would have thought ecconomies of scale would have a bearing, but no. a uk trophy is listed at 31,495 pounds at todays exchange rate thats €36,255 and at its present state of the uk eccomomy that rate means the price would be closer. Yet here you can have the Luxury your trophy for €34,280, like €2,000 cheaper and our "trophy has 11kw ac charger and a Heatpump as standard"

But I imagine the real reason is because they can, pure and simple.

Treasure Island?

 

[tsedge]

I must be honest I have never understood why uk has always been much more expensive for a new car than europe. the subsidies have no bearing as this is a direct subsidy to the end user, doesn't affect import.

Import duty on a new car is the same 10% uk and 10% spain. in fact should be dearer in spain as VAT here is 21% wher'as it´'s if i remember correctly "only 20%" in uk.

In fact you would expect UK to be cheaper as there are more cars sent to UK than here so I would have thought ecconomies of scale would have a bearing, but no. a uk trophy is listed at 31,495 pounds at todays exchange rate thats €36,255 and at its present state of the uk eccomomy that rate means the price would be closer. Yet here you can have the Luxury your trophy for €34,280, like €2,000 cheaper and our "trophy has 11kw ac charger and a Heatpump as standard"

But I imagine the real reason is because they can, pure and simple.

Subsidies absolutely affect pricing because they are taken into account when manufacturers set prices, it isn’t just an effect on end users. Pricing itself is a function of what people will pay in a market, not some fixed cost on top of manufacturing.

There are literally dozens of variables to do with how dealer operations are structured, corporate costs, port fees, how costs between purchasing and servicing are split, where profits are taken between manufacturer and dealer, employment costs, the differences are endless and you cannot sweep them away by pointing to a single tariff or exchange rate.

Edit: Which is why comparisons across markets are meaningless.

 

[siteguru]

I must be honest I have never understood why uk has always been much more expensive for a new car than europe. the subsidies have no bearing as this is a direct subsidy to the end user, doesn't affect import.

Import duty on a new car is the same 10% uk and 10% spain. in fact should be dearer in spain as VAT here is 21% wher'as it´'s if i remember correctly "only 20%" in uk.

In fact you would expect UK to be cheaper as there are more cars sent to UK than here so I would have thought ecconomies of scale would have a bearing, but no. a uk trophy is listed at 31,495 pounds at todays exchange rate thats €36,255 and at its present state of the uk eccomomy that rate means the price would be closer. Yet here you can have the Luxury your trophy for €34,280, like €2,000 cheaper and our "trophy has 11kw ac charger and a Heatpump as standard"

But I imagine the real reason is because they can, pure and simple.

But the UK is RHD ... Spain and pretty much all of continental Europe is LHD, so the economies of scale work very much in favour of the EU.

 

[tsedge]

But the UK is RHD ... Spain and pretty much all of continental Europe is LHD, so the economies of scale work very much in favour of the EU.

With modern cars, there's no difference in cost for LHD and RHD, at least that's my understanding, they are engineered for both. EU is clearly a much bigger potential market, even if MG more popular in UK traditionally.

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

I must be honest I have never understood why uk has always been much more expensive for a new car than europe. the subsidies have no bearing as this is a direct subsidy to the end user, doesn't affect import.

Import duty on a new car is the same 10% uk and 10% spain. in fact should be dearer in spain as VAT here is 21% wher'as it´'s if i remember correctly "only 20%" in uk.

In fact you would expect UK to be cheaper as there are more cars sent to UK than here so I would have thought ecconomies of scale would have a bearing, but no. a uk trophy is listed at 31,495 pounds at todays exchange rate thats €36,255 and at its present state of the uk eccomomy that rate means the price would be closer. Yet here you can have the Luxury your trophy for €34,280, like €2,000 cheaper and our "trophy has 11kw ac charger and a Heatpump as standard"

But I imagine the real reason is because they can, pure and simple.

Yep. The correct answer is "because they can".

Back in the day, car manufacturers used to refer to the UK as "Treasure Island", because they could get away with charging us thousands more than Europeans, due to us having the steering wheel on the other side.

It's also why Japanese cars became so popular here, because they're a RHD country too.

 

[tsedge]

Yep. The correct answer is "because they can".

Back in the day, car manufacturers used to refer to the UK as "Treasure Island", because they could get away with charging us thousands more than Europeans, due to us having the steering wheel on the other side.

It's also why Japanese cars became so popular here, because they're a RHD country too.

If it sells well and people will pay it then it is not overpriced. Given how much cheaper the MG4 is than the competition, it sounds ridiculous to hear people complaining about the price.

Why not compare it to Chinese pricing? Most EVs are half the price there. It’s an outrage! Clearly we should all move there and earn Chinese wages under their benevolent system.

 

[MaxLogun]

I'm sure someone more up on car mechanicals can inform me but I though the climate control uses a heat pump to cool down as well as heat up?

 

[BugEyed]

climate control uses a heat pump to cool down as well as heat up?

Only cooling down as standard.

It needs a few more components to run as a heat pump, the exact number depending on the design (Tesla use their "octovalve" to reduce this). You still need a PTC heater and it costs more but is more efficient.

 

[tsedge]

Only cooling down as standard.

It needs a few more components to run as a heat pump, the exact number depending on the design (Tesla use their "octovalve" to reduce this)

Heating is a PTC heater.

 

[memo]

I'm sure someone more up on car mechanicals can inform me but I though the climate control uses a heat pump to cool down as well as heat up?

Only the european models have a heat pump as standard

 

[BugEyed]

Only the european models have a heat pump as standard

Not all European models have the heat pump, for example only the German Luxury does.

 

[memo]

Not all European models have the heat pump, for example only the German Luxury does.

nope according to my dealer all european luxury models have it, my spanish ordered one as well.

 

[jon0881]

I itemised and valued all of the differences between the UK SE, SE LR and Trophy to help me decide. Had the trophy come with a heat pump that might have tipped the balance. I went for the SE SR in the end