Charging from a granny lead, dangers?🔥🤔

Thank you, that's extremely helpful. (Mind you, it's going to take a lot of charges to cover the capital cost of the wall box...)

I was wondering if one or other method was better for battery life.
 
There's no advantage to either (from the car's perspective). From a safety perspective a wall box is better as it is on a dedicated circuit.

I have a wall box, but I was fortunate to get mine free (long story, which I've documented previously) so for me it's a no-brainer.
 
There are pay-monthly options for home 7kwhr wall boxes now if that helps spread the cost.
Here‘s an example - no idea what they are like or how the costs work out…
 
There's no advantage to either (from the car's perspective). From a safety perspective a wall box is better as it is on a dedicated circuit.

Thanks. Pretty much everybody I know has got one in the end. Safety-wise I think I'm pretty well placed, and I'm just trying to work out the pros and cons. If it turns out that my granny charger can keep up with my home-charge needs (with occasional supplementation from the public charge point 400 yards away) then I need some reason to invest in a wall box!
 
I'm calling bullsh*t on that! 74% of EV drivers charge using an extension and granny charger? I know quite a few EV drivers now and not a single one charges using the granny let alone with an extension lead.
Enjoy your calling while you fail to provide evidence to the contrary because you 'know'. 😉
 
At 80% efficiency (typical for a granny) that is 60kWh from the source, so 60 * 34p = £20.40
At 90% efficiency (typical for a 7kW wall box) that is 55kWh from the source, so 55 * 34p = £18.70

I am still looking for sources of information for this new (to me) form of transport. Can you say where you got this from? Maybe I can find other useful stuff there.
 
I am still looking for sources of information for this new (to me) form of transport. Can you say where you got this from? Maybe I can find other useful stuff there.
There's loads of stuff on the forum just put a few words in the search bar.
You will get all sorts of opinions on how, where and what to use to get power into your EV.
 
There's loads of stuff on the forum just put a few words in the search bar.
You will get all sorts of opinions on how, where and what to use to get power into your EV.
Quite so. I am having an explore. A very useful resource. However, I was wondering if there was someting more substantive than "opinions".
 
Enjoy your calling while you fail to provide evidence to the contrary because you 'know'. 😉

Don’t you think it sounds like bullshit?
3/4 of EV drivers use granny cables…?
You’re inexperienced in EVs, I’ve been in them for 7 years and my spider-sense is tingling at this alleged statistic.
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There are pay-monthly options for home 7kwhr wall boxes now if that helps spread the cost.
Here‘s an example - no idea what they are like or how the costs work out…

Something that really annoys me in EV world is this ‘thing’ that people need to spend a lot of dough on chargers.
Charger snobbery is a thing, certain brand names have become fashionable.
£300-£350 will get you up and running no problem using a used charger.
£550 got my BIL onto a brand new charger with a very long cable run (admittedly he dug the trench himself)
 
Don’t you think it sounds like bullsh*t?
3/4 of EV drivers use granny cables…?
You’re inexperienced in EVs, I’ve been in them for 7 years and my spider-sense is tingling at this alleged statistic.
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Your problem is you think personal experience is a substitute for evidence. Go and find a contrary survey then.

This survey was a few years ago so things may have changed.

But I'll put much more faith in data than your spider-sense Obi Wan.
 
Your problem is you think personal experience is a substitute for evidence. Go and find a contrary survey then.

This survey was a few years ago so things may have changed.

But I'll put much more faith in data than your spider-sense Obi Wan.

Yeah, Spider-Man and Star Wars aren’t the same thing grandad.
Fine, you want to believe this alleged statistic, up to you, no steam off my poop. 👍
I’m very firmly in the ‘hmmmm right…’ camp.
 
Yeah, Spider-Man and Star Wars aren’t the same thing grandad.
Fine, you want to believe this statistic, up to you, no steam off my poop.
Ha ha ha! You are the one that got exercised by it, not me, so steam your own poop off this thread please! 😂😂😂

I am under 50 and fully aware of my superheroes, though forgive me if I think you are not one of them.
 
Thanks. Pretty much everybody I know has got one in the end. Safety-wise I think I'm pretty well placed, and I'm just trying to work out the pros and cons. If it turns out that my granny charger can keep up with my home-charge needs (with occasional supplementation from the public charge point 400 yards away) then I need some reason to invest in a wall box!
This may sound like silly way of condoning the spend on a wall box, but one of the first things that I have come to realise when owning a full electric car, is that it is always wise to have a back up plan in place.
Especially if you only own one car and that car, just happens to be a pure EV.
What is of vital importance here is you can charge your EV ( from home ideally ) as and when you require, and therefore it has to be 100% reliable, day in - day out 365 !.
We starting using the provided Granny lead back in 2019 but after using the Granny for about 2 months, it suddenly entered my head :- "What type of back up plan do I have in place, IF this Granny lead should suddenly fail ?".
Quick answer to this was - Nothing !.
A little like owning a petrol car, but all the local petrol stations are suddenly closed down.
Therefore I quickly came to the conclusion that a wall box was the long term answer to this problem.
The wall box was installed about 6 weeks later ( under the government grant ) and instantly, the Granny was offered early retirement to hang on the garage wall.
This then became both the back up plan AND the unit we take on holiday if we expect the public charging infrastructure is going to be either poor, or prone to breakdowns.
Also, back in 2019 the price of a replacement Granny unit from the dealer was an expensive item.
A new unit was more expensive than the price we paid for the wall box back then.
Of course, the wall box has been the primary unit since 2019 until now.
The wall box has supplied 100% of our charging needs to cover almost 20,000 miles in our first full BEV and then another 10,000 miles in our now second BEV.
That is a LOT of charging sessions over a total of 30,000 miles and three years of use.
I do have to question if the reliability of a Granny lead over that period and usage would have been up to that level of work, or the electrical socket it was drawing power over that type of usage.
There are some really nice but expensive wall boxes on the market now for sure.
Question to myself :- IF my wall box failed completely, would I invest in a replacement, or jump back onto the Granny ?.
NO - My thoughts are the same, I would replace it for the very same reasons that I stated above.
Again, everybody's usage pattern and budgets are going to be different.
In your case, I would strongly recommend the use of a more cost effective wall box, over the use of the Granny unit, and then you have effectively doubled your charging options.
You asked for suggestions with regards to supplying the "Right Reason" for you to consider investing in a wall box, and this may not help convince you, but surely it is worth some type of consideration ?.
Having a public charging post nearby is great, but at todays prices they are expensive.
I consider myself very lucky that we have off road parking and can charge from home and do not want to give up this facility.
One other thing to consider is electricity tariff's.
If you are on a time of day ( off peak ) tariff and want to make the most use of that usual 4 - 5 hours on the cheaper rate, then the charging speeds of the wall box is of a huge advantage.
So, is the extra outlay worth it ?.
Only you can decide on that one I am afraid !.
Good luck with the outcome.
 
This may sound like silly way of condoning the spend on a wall box, but one of the first things that I have come to realise when owning a full electric car, is that it is always wise to have a back up plan in place.
Especially if you only own one car and that car, just happens to be a pure EV.
What is of vital importance here is you can charge your EV ( from home ideally ) as and when you require, and therefore it has to be 100% reliable, day in - day out 365 !.
We starting using the provided Granny lead back in 2019 but after using the Granny for about 2 months, it suddenly entered my head :- "What type of back up plan do I have in place, IF this Granny lead should suddenly fail ?".
Quick answer to this was - Nothing !.
A little like owning a petrol car, but all the local petrol stations are suddenly closed down.
Therefore I quickly came to the conclusion that a wall box was the long term answer to this problem.
The wall box was installed about 6 weeks later ( under the government grant ) and instantly, the Granny was offered early retirement to hang on the garage wall.
This then became both the back up plan AND the unit we take on holiday if we expect the public charging infrastructure is going to be either poor, or prone to breakdowns.
Also, back in 2019 the price of a replacement Granny unit from the dealer was an expensive item.
A new unit was more expensive than the price we paid for the wall box back then.
Of course, the wall box has been the primary unit since 2019 until now.
The wall box has supplied 100% of our charging needs to cover almost 20,000 miles in our first full BEV and then another 10,000 miles in our now second BEV.
That is a LOT of charging sessions over a total of 30,000 miles and three years of use.
I do have to question if the reliability of a Granny lead over that period and usage would have been up to that level of work, or the electrical socket it was drawing power over that type of usage.
There are some really nice but expensive wall boxes on the market now for sure.
Question to myself :- IF my wall box failed completely, would I invest in a replacement, or jump back onto the Granny ?.
NO - My thoughts are the same, I would replace it for the very same reasons that I stated above.
Again, everybody's usage pattern and budgets are going to be different.
In your case, I would strongly recommend the use of a more cost effective wall box, over the use of the Granny unit, and then you have effectively doubled your charging options.
You asked for suggestions with regards to supplying the "Right Reason" for you to consider investing in a wall box, and this may not help convince you, but surely it is worth some type of consideration ?.
Having a public charging post nearby is great, but at todays prices they are expensive.
I consider myself very lucky that we have off road parking and can charge from home and do not want to give up this facility.
One other thing to consider is electricity tariff's.
If you are on a time of day ( off peak ) tariff and want to make the most use of that usual 4 - 5 hours on the cheaper rate, then the charging speeds of the wall box is of a huge advantage.
So, is the extra outlay worth it ?.
Only you can decide on that one I am afraid !.
Good luck with the outcome.

The back up thing is valid and made me think, but I’m still not convinced I’d use a granny even if I still had one ( I’ve sold two over the past couple of years ).
If my podpoint failed I’d just have to revert to public charging until I got a sparkie.
 
This may sound like silly way of condoning the spend on a wall box, but one of the first things that I have come to realise when owning a full electric car, is that it is always wise to have a back up plan in place.
Especially if you only own one car and that car, just happens to be a pure EV.
What is of vital importance here is you can charge your EV ( from home ideally ) as and when you require, and therefore it has to be 100% reliable, day in - day out 365 !.
We starting using the provided Granny lead back in 2019 but after using the Granny for about 2 months, it suddenly entered my head :- "What type of back up plan do I have in place, IF this Granny lead should suddenly fail ?".
Quick answer to this was - Nothing !.
A little like owning a petrol car, but all the local petrol stations are suddenly closed down.
Therefore I quickly came to the conclusion that a wall box was the long term answer to this problem.
The wall box was installed about 6 weeks later ( under the government grant ) and instantly, the Granny was offered early retirement to hang on the garage wall.
This then became both the back up plan AND the unit we take on holiday if we expect the public charging infrastructure is going to be either poor, or prone to breakdowns.
Also, back in 2019 the price of a replacement Granny unit from the dealer was an expensive item.
A new unit was more expensive than the price we paid for the wall box back then.
Of course, the wall box has been the primary unit since 2019 until now.
The wall box has supplied 100% of our charging needs to cover almost 20,000 miles in our first full BEV and then another 10,000 miles in our now second BEV.
That is a LOT of charging sessions over a total of 30,000 miles and three years of use.
I do have to question if the reliability of a Granny lead over that period and usage would have been up to that level of work, or the electrical socket it was drawing power over that type of usage.
There are some really nice but expensive wall boxes on the market now for sure.
Question to myself :- IF my wall box failed completely, would I invest in a replacement, or jump back onto the Granny ?.
NO - My thoughts are the same, I would replace it for the very same reasons that I stated above.
Again, everybody's usage pattern and budgets are going to be different.
In your case, I would strongly recommend the use of a more cost effective wall box, over the use of the Granny unit, and then you have effectively doubled your charging options.
You asked for suggestions with regards to supplying the "Right Reason" for you to consider investing in a wall box, and this may not help convince you, but surely it is worth some type of consideration ?.
Having a public charging post nearby is great, but at todays prices they are expensive.
I consider myself very lucky that we have off road parking and can charge from home and do not want to give up this facility.
One other thing to consider is electricity tariff's.
If you are on a time of day ( off peak ) tariff and want to make the most use of that usual 4 - 5 hours on the cheaper rate, then the charging speeds of the wall box is of a huge advantage.
So, is the extra outlay worth it ?.
Only you can decide on that one I am afraid !.
Good luck with the outcome.

Thank you very much indeed for taking the trouble to type all that out for me. You make several good points that I hadn't thought about.

I don't have such heavy usage as you do, and I do have a second fall-back position, a close neighbour with a wall box who has said a couple of times (unsolicited) that I am welcome to use that. But I'd be reluctant to take them up on it unless in exceptional circumstances.

Having just bought the car I'm not really in a position to look at a wall box for a few months. I'm thinking that will give me time to weigh up the pros and cons at my leisure. I very seldom drive more than 50-60 miles away, so the vast majority of my trips will be covered by a home charge. At the same time I very seldom go so far two days in a row, so there will be time for the granny charger to top back up again. In the very unusual situation of two longer trips back to back, there's the public charger or my neighbour (there is a free public charger about five miles away, too), but my feeling is that if I had to do that more often than once a blue moon, that's definite grounds for considering a wall box.

Your point about taking advantage of cheaper electricity tariffs is well made and worth thinking about. Nevertheless, the cost of a wall box will buy a lot of electricity, even these days. Even so, as I noted, everyone seems to get one in the end!
 
The back up thing is valid and made me think, but I’m still not convinced I’d use a granny even if I still had one ( I’ve sold two over the past couple of years ).
If my podpoint failed I’d just have to revert to public charging until I got a sparkie.
Yeah - That is a very good valid point.
It's one of them really, I bought a spare wheel when we had our ZS EV ( Gen 1 ) purely as a back up plan.
This has been now switch over to our ZS EV ( Gen 2 ) and has never been used.
Would I consider selling it ?.
NO - Because the reasons why I bought it still remains the same, do I regret laying out that money, no not at all, because the day I need that spare is worth the outlay cost to me anyway.
Do I carry a battery booster pack in the car - Yes.
Have I needed to use it - NO.
I have a type 2 cable in the boot, have I used it - rarely.
But if I did get caught in a diversion on my planned route and required an emergency charge, its not much good rocking up at a 7 kw public post without one !.
All this maybe seen as complete overkill and rightfully so.
But when you need these items in an emergency, they are worth there weight in gold.
My battery booster pack has been used SO many times to help out people stuck with flat battery.
All fossil cars OBTW :ROFLMAO:.

Thank you very much indeed for taking the trouble to type all that out for me. You make several good points that I hadn't thought about.

I don't have such heavy usage as you do, and I do have a second fall-back position, a close neighbour with a wall box who has said a couple of times (unsolicited) that I am welcome to use that. But I'd be reluctant to take them up on it unless in exceptional circumstances.

Having just bought the car I'm not really in a position to look at a wall box for a few months. I'm thinking that will give me time to weigh up the pros and cons at my leisure. I very seldom drive more than 50-60 miles away, so the vast majority of my trips will be covered by a home charge. At the same time I very seldom go so far two days in a row, so there will be time for the granny charger to top back up again. In the very unusual situation of two longer trips back to back, there's the public charger or my neighbour (there is a free public charger about five miles away, too), but my feeling is that if I had to do that more often than once a blue moon, that's definite grounds for considering a wall box.

Your point about taking advantage of cheaper electricity tariffs is well made and worth thinking about. Nevertheless, the cost of a wall box will buy a lot of electricity, even these days. Even so, as I noted, everyone seems to get one in the end!
I totally see where you are coming from and no two people will have the same usage cases of course.
Just something else to consider here, if you are unfortunate enough that your Granny unit fails and the dealer is given permission to order a replacement part under warranty, then the wait time is likely to be lengthy, like with all MG replacement parts.
If you have a very kind neighbour that is likely to support your charging needs for a number of weeks, then brilliant !.
Failing that, you will be buying an after market unit at your own expense.
This money could have been used in part, to install a wall box ?.
Just some food for thought ?.
A close relative who upgraded from a ZS EV ( Gen 1 ) to a ZS LR ( Gen 2 ) model, very suddenly after about a week of ownership, had problems receiving a charge from his wall box.
He has one one car and it is a full BEV of course.
This time it was reversed roles, the Granny charger came to the rescue !.
One to prove the car was not the problem and two he was able to still charge his car.
The wall box was out of commission for almost three weeks, while parts where ordered and then installed and checked.
Another good example of having a back up plan !.
 
My very kind neighbour would probably be OK about this, particularly at the point where I offered to pay for the electricity (this has never been mentioned). I don't know how long the free box five miles away is likely to stay free for, but it's next to a nice café and that could be a cheap solution to a temporary outage too.

All sorts of things to consider. I think it's likely that I will get a wall box eventually, but I want to be sure it's the right decision before I order one.
 

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