What would make public charging better for you..?

Vingnut said:
need their own electric services anyway.
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May need but may not get, as it's determined in the UK under the Distribution code and ENA G88, companies such as MFG operate their own charger network and petrol stations under the DCODE and G88 a company and it's subsidiaries can only have one connection on a site, in order to prevent the risk to life or property that may occur through multiple points of intake due to possible interconnectivity.

Historically this hasn't been enforced but it's ended up causing some interesting issues on a few sites where the customer has interconnected numerous DNO supplies which is on contravention of the DNOs legal obligations as set out in the electricity act and esqcr. [Electricity Safety, Quality and Continuity Regulations]
 
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There are so many different systems for EV charging and almost all have their own apps and means of paying.
For me, it is essential that any EV charging facility clearly displays the current price per kWh and takes any of the standard debit and credit cards.

This is just a basic requirement. Exactly the same as petrol/diesel stations.
 
A maximum cost of double the domestic price cap cost . This will still provide decent profits for the providers but make public charging a more realistic proposition for consumers. The pricing now is a rip off.
 
As others have mentioned price is a big thing, maybe if they had to display the price on huge illuminated boards visible from the road like fossil fuel suppliers do more people would drive past the more expensive stations. They could also let you know on major access roads how many spaces were available as some car parks in towns and cities do.
 
AndyL61 said:
A maximum cost of double the domestic price cap cost . This will still provide decent profits for the providers but make public charging a more realistic proposition for consumers. The pricing now is a rip off.
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One problem with public charging is that the price includes 20% VAT whereas domestic charging includes VAT at 5%. VAT on public charging should be reduced to 5%.
 
Ayoull said:
May need but may not get, as it's determined in the UK under the Distribution code and ENA G88, companies such as MFG operate their own charger network and petrol stations under the DCODE and G88 a company and it's subsidiaries can only have one connection on a site, in order to prevent the risk to life or property that may occur through multiple points of intake due to possible interconnectivity.

Historically this hasn't been enforced but it's ended up causing some interesting issues on a few sites where the customer has interconnected numerous DNO supplies which is on contravention of the DNOs legal obligations as set out in the electricity act and esqcr. [ Electricity Safety, Quality and Continuity Regulations ]
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Not knowing code here in Norway, but here a charging site located in another site like say a petrol station is a separate unit, separate services and so on

A petrol station has 3x230V IT or at best 400V TN services and not that much Ampere, so the powerlines are much the same as in a normal new Norwegian house. I doubt any Norwegian petrol station can have bigger chargers than 22Kw on its own service.

I got the old IT services so my house (even it's a new house) have 3x230 63A but a 80A power line as my house is derated to 63A to save me some money. This restricts my Easee home charger to 6,9Kw. Most new house developments the last 15 years or so do have 400V TN infrastructure and the same charger can deliver 22Kw there. Most petrol stations here have the same problem as a private household.

Fast charging infrastructure must have at least 400V TN or more from 22Kw, and more often than not have their own high voltage to whatever the voltage they need transformer on site. As you see completly separate services.
 
AndyL61 said:
A maximum cost of double the domestic price cap cost . This will still provide decent profits for the providers but make public charging a more realistic proposition for consumers. The pricing now is a rip off.
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The cost of setting up fast charge sites is very hard to recoup in a timely manner, as the sums involved are huge. I think we need to be satisfied if the prices for fast charging are more or less comperable with petrol.

For destination charging at 22Kw and below I wholeheartedly agree with you.
 
MoDolph said:
I want to know how likely it is that the charger will be free when I get there. I don't like the idea of reservations, but I would like the sat nav to take onto account how many others were navigating to it to predict the probability of it being available when I arrive and suggest better alternatives based on real time data. It'll take some time but it should be possible.
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Totally agree …. Does the ZapMap app already do this accurately ? . My app says what’s available but never tested it.
 
Robf said:
In addition to the comments above. All new installations should follow the same charging protocol, so you are not trying to follow each providers individual processes to start the charge. Usually P***ing down with rain trying to read tiny text urrggghhhh.
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I think you are bang on here.
It is all very well having gimmicky extras but the best way of attracting and keeping new users would be to have a standardised procedure for starting the charging process, monitoring the charging and then providing clear information about what charging has been delivered.
After all, there is very little variation in the procedure for filling an ICE car at a filling station even though there are a plethora of supermarkets, franchised sellers etc all supplying liquid fuel and so there should be no reason to have the same for EV Charging.
 
dan1845 said:
For me a vacuum cleaner at each point, would be an easy thing surely
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I would settle for a rubbish bin handy to the charging points.

My priorites would be:

  • Large print / electronic display making clear the costs, whether the charging point is working, and the fines for people using charging bays to park when not charging.
  • Banning providers from requiring credit or membership to use a charger.
  • Charging should be as simple as deciding to get petrol from any garage. By all means offer discounts to those who want them for loyalty, but no more faffing than is absolutely necesary.
*Incentives for those with home chargers to make them available to others. e.g. stop home insurance companies stopping sharing for payment.
 
Bacarelle said:
I think you are bang on here.
It is all very well having gimmicky extras but the best way of attracting and keeping new users would be to have a standardised procedure for starting the charging process, monitoring the charging and then providing clear information about what charging has been delivered.
After all, there is very little variation in the procedure for filling an ICE car at a filling station even though there are a plethora of supermarkets, franchised sellers etc all supplying liquid fuel and so there should be no reason to have the same for EV Charging.
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I agree with all the above but it’s not the same as going round in your liquid dino juice pride and joy really is it. Sure there was a fairly Standard method of filling and paying but we needed more. Our wagon was special - it needed a gallon or two of the cheap stuff or the one with this that or the other additive to make it smoother and give an extre mile or two in the range (even if it was nothing to the frenzied paranoia we would soon hear about range as if only freshly discovered as a “thing”).
We can no longer fill with super or V power or superior octane stuff to the car opposite (poor soul) no, now the folks filling their mighty super duper GT whizzer uses exactly the same Wattsits as me.
 
Kithmo said:
A bunch of chargers in every petrol station.
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With the speed the petrol stations keep closing that may not help! I think large supermarkets should be encouraged to cover their roofs in PV and provide a few charging ports.
 
Tweed98 said:
With the speed the petrol stations keep closing that may not help! I think large supermarkets should be encouraged to cover their roofs in PV and provide a few charging ports.
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MFG (Motor Fuel Group) are one of the largest owners* of petrol stations in the UK.
They've been throwing rapid chargers onto their sites at a rate of knots!

* They own the actual station and franchise it out to one of the assorted oil companies.
 

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