Charging across Europe

I've noticed that charger availability on my route has doubled since my last trip. More chargers at each services, at supermarkets and in isolated places.

Even the France-Spain border gap seems to have better availability developing.
 
I passed 100k on EVs this week!

Just replacing my rear tyres before my next adventure, 39k on them, inner wear to minimum and some side wall cracking, that's it.

Not long for my next trip. What do people want to me to report about on this years trip? Charging, costs, efficiency etc? Anything you want me to try out?
 
I passed 100k on EVs this week!

Just replacing my rear tyres before my next adventure, 39k on them, inner wear to minimum and some side wall cracking, that's it.

Not long for my next trip. What do people want to me to report about on this years trip? Charging, costs, efficiency etc? Anything you want me to try out?
Are you planning charging stops or winging it like you would in an ICEv ?
 
I'd say that I'm in a hybrid state now.

Across France planning is not required, but if I want to take advantage of the cheaper Tesla chargers it is a bit.

Across Spain into Portugal, I know where the chargers are & prefer Zunder as it is the cheapest / best. A bit of planning is still required.

In Portugal, I have no stay charging so it's find a local charger & try out the McD chargers that failed me in 2022.

Winging it now does work, and I do a bit but charging costs vary by up to 40p/kwh, so that's big. Also activating a charger has very different prices on each card / app.

So, planning is now more about cost than charging. It does mean that I can be a bit more daring on charging options.
 
I passed 100k on EVs this week!

Just replacing my rear tyres before my next adventure, 39k on them, inner wear to minimum and some side wall cracking, that's it.

Not long for my next trip. What do people want to me to report about on this years trip? Charging, costs, efficiency etc? Anything you want me to try out?
Yep, all of the above, you report it we’re all here ready to read your stories. Always good to hear how other folks are faring out in ev land.
 
I'd say that I'm in a hybrid state now.

Across France planning is not required, but if I want to take advantage of the cheaper Tesla chargers it is a bit.

Across Spain into Portugal, I know where the chargers are & prefer Zunder as it is the cheapest / best. A bit of planning is still required.

In Portugal, I have no stay charging so it's find a local charger & try out the McD chargers that failed me in 2022.

Winging it now does work, and I do a bit but charging costs vary by up to 40p/kwh, so that's big. Also activating a charger has very different prices on each card / app.

So, planning is now more about cost than charging. It does mean that I can be a bit more daring on charging options.
That will be interesting to read, the cost versus convenience choices. Charging has certainly come along in the last few years.
I'm sure you and others will have seen these but MrEV, Andrew Till does regular road trips to Italy and back and last year did the journey in an e-Niro with no planning at all. His videos are long but enjoyable for the whole content not just the EV stuff.



 
Yes I did watch these and yes they are enjoyable to watch, lovely family.

I find his charging process & planning frustrating. I guess at least he has reduced charging up to 100% at rapids!

When I plan, I simply have a list of chargers on route that I could use with a high level plan, that I can change. My spreadsheet has priority chargers highlighted and last resort chargers in red. This is important in Spain and off motorways in the more rural areas.

When I wing it, I just check the route to make sure there's enough options not to plan. So on French, Portuguese & Swiss auto routes I can wing it.

Example - Stage 1 to France. I will charge at Eurotunnel & if not available can use chargers in Calais. I will then need to find 1 rapid as I'm going on rural roads. I have found the local rapids near my stay and a close by fast charger which is cheaper.

Stage 2 is on autoroute with plenty of rapids. Get me to southern France. May check for Tesla chargers for lower costs.

Stage 3 - across Spain, find the Zunder chargers, apparently there's more now so easier. Portugal, it's my regulars. At stay, it's find suitable fast chargers.
 
I'd say that I'm in a hybrid state now.

Across France planning is not required, but if I want to take advantage of the cheaper Tesla chargers it is a bit.
I fully agree that with (apparently) 168,000 charging stations across France, planning is not entirely necessary, but I still find that with only four charging stops needed for my regular 750 miles trip each way to SW France, it helps to plan my route via the stops I want, using my favourite 0.25€ but very basic IECharge stops, to stretch legs and nap – and Teslas secondarily – and then to stop off separately at Aires as nature demands for ‘other’ purposes – more and more, these days it seems!!. I do, nevertheless, always check the apps to make sure the chargers are free and working; but also, I make sure there are alternatives not too far away in case of unexpected problems. I find it all makes for a stress-free journey … so far.
Example - Stage 1 to France. I will charge at Eurotunnel & if not available can use chargers in Calais. I will then need to find 1 rapid as I'm going on rural roads.
We start from only 85 miles from Folkstone, so can miss any Shuttle/Calais charging and autoroute-it to an IECharge at Quièvrecourt (30m N of Rouen) for a first stop.
Stage 2 is on autoroute with plenty of rapids. Get me to southern France. May check for Tesla chargers for lower costs.
Not sure where your off-autoroute starts and ends, but just a word of caution from my own bad experience … beware If you should ever travel on N/D roads between anywhere north of Alençon down to Le Mans (Saint-Saturnin – Tesla). We have stayed for many years at a lovely hotel/restaurant just north of Sées, and post-EV we have taken to driving from there to Le Mans via the (straight and cheap) country roads.

Last year we decided to stop en-route at the Aire de Repos La Dentelle d'Alençon for a natural break and to pick up a splash charge. We followed both of two Sat-nav instructions and the road signage from the D438/N12 to access the Aire, where we found that (unlike ICE vehicles and pedestrians that had their own separate access to the Aire outside the autoroute system), we were directed through the péage towards the TotalEnergies chargers. To get back to our D438 south, we were then directed back out through the same péage again. There is no other way to access the EV chargers from off-autoroute. However, this manoeuvre is considered an illegal autoroute U-turn by the toll operators who will promptly delete your péage entrance record and replace it with a ‘TLPC trajet maximum’ charge. So an effective nil charge (for not driving at all on the actual autoroute) becomes a maximum charge for the full length of that péage section – in this case 32.30€ each way (we foolishly did it twice before being billed)!

We tried challenging the charge in the circumstances of our being thus directed with no alternative access to the chargers, but Emovis would not even consider supporting our claim (unless we falsified our entrance point claim - even suggecting a ludicrous alternative!). We have now chucked our (very expensive and thoroughly objectionable) Emovis account, and bought a much cheaper tag from Bi&Go direct. We advise others to do likewise to save a lot of money.
 
The perils of toll motorways and planning restrictions.

Being at a service station hub on the southbound with a huge queue, whilst the northbound has rows of empty chargers with only some bollards between. The pointless need to keep north/south bound traffic apart.

Looking through a fence at rapid chargers in a service area from a N road, that are within touching distance whilst you don't have enough range to reach an accessible charge point!

Some do like rules for rules sake!
 
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