Charging issues MG ZS EV TROPHY

[Gadget Geek]

Anyone else think the term "smart" charger is a misnomer?

 

[Jomarkh]

Do you mean it is not very 'smart' or not a 'charger' ?

 

[N2STY]

Anyone else think the term "smart" charger is a misnomer?

The biggest problem is it assumes your starting at 0% no mg api support

 

[jaykew]

I have a so called dumb (ie non programmable charger). The app is definitely unreliable. But so far I have not had any problems with non performance if I set up the charging schedule in the vehicle head unit. Mt advice therefore- forget the app - set up your schedule in the infotainment system.

 

[N2STY]

set up your schedule in the infotainment system.

Un fortunately that's not a option for people that need smart charging
Smart charging is designed for changes in tariffs every 30 minutes so when there is more electricity available because of sun and wind it cheaper or even pay you to use your charger

 

[Lovemyev]

Un fortunately that's not a option for people that need smart charging
Smart charging is designed for changes in tariffs every 30 minutes so when there is more electricity available because of sun and wind it cheaper or even pay you to use your charger

Can you not turn off “Smart Charging” then ?.
I have the old dumb type wall box and then set the charge times to suit my “Off Peak” tariff of five hours per day.
It has worked fine for six months now.
I don’t bother with the App for charging settings to be honest.

 

[N2STY]

Can you not turn off “Smart Charging” then ?

You can turn off smart
The max charge button turns it into a dumb charger on ohme anyway

 

[Lovemyev]

You can turn off smart
The max charge button turns it into a dumb charger on ohme anyway

Great ?.
So if it is then a dumb unit, then the timer functions should be able to command the wall box like mine then ?.
Or am I just not understanding it correctly, I am old after all ?.

 

[N2STY]

Great ?.
So if it is then a dumb unit, then the timer functions should be able to command the wall box like mine then ?.
Or am I just not understanding it correctly, I am old after all ?.

Not something I have tested as if I hit that button it costs me 28p instead of 5p
But in Theory you're right ?

 

[BrianG]

You seem to be set up to get Intelligent Octopus tariff. 7.5p for 6 hours 23:30-05:30 plus extra at times of plentiful power. The rest of the time you will get charged at ~39p Ohme will manage your charging via its smart system, linking with Octopus and the Grid. We have ASHP heating and expect to use 50% of power at off peak, equivalent to 23p a kWh. If you haven’t joined up with Octopus you can save £50 on your bill with this referral Octopus Energy

we can expect tariffs to fall next summer, once we have got through the present winter and got by without Russian gas.

 

[N2STY]

Ovo here 5p charge 24/7 28p rest of house

 

[N2STY]

So this is how I get full speed charging using the smart charge function witch I have to use for 5p/kWh charging
I don't need the car till 2200 but its the wife's car and she will use it during the day my round trip to work is 60 miles at motorway speeds with a heavy foot so I set up ohme to give me a 200 mile charge by 1500 but really I only need 25/30% as you can see pic 1 the smart charge is a steady graph to 1500 but pic2 shows car will finish at 0444 even if I get home late at 0800 I plug the Ohme in and I get a message we are charging you at full speed but won't finish in time only cos it thinks I need 80% charge but I just ignore the message as at full power it's only a few hours to get my 30%

Hopefully this will make sense ?

 

[muppet77]

So this is how I get full speed charging using the smart charge function witch I have to use for 5p/kWh charging
I don't need the car till 2200 but its the wife's car and she will use it during the day my round trip to work is 60 miles at motorway speeds with a heavy foot so I set up ohme to give me a 200 mile charge by 1500 but really I only need 25/30% as you can see pic 1 the smart charge is a steady graph to 1500 but pic2 shows car will finish at 0444 even if I get home late at 0800 I plug the Ohme in and I get a message we are charging you at full speed but won't finish in time only cos it thinks I need 80% charge but I just ignore the message as at full power it's only a few hours to get my 30% View attachment 11388View attachment 11389
Hopefully this will make sense ?

Hi I have an Ohme with the same 5p Drive Anytime tariff as you with OVO.

If you have your cut off at 90% (photo 2) I’m unsure as to whether OVO count this as a scheduled charge as it was interrupted. (Imagine your scheduled charge needs to go to 95% but your cut off on the car app is lower - eg 90)

Do you know if this is so? I’ve often wondered.
I guess it’s the same as if you disconnect the charge before the end, yourself. ?

 

[N2STY]

@muppet77
They have no idea as to how much charge is already in the car mg don't use api support so the smart charging has no idea if you stopped it or the car

 

[Lovemyev]

we can expect tariffs to fall next summer, once we have got through the present winter and got by without Russian gas.

I sincerely hope you are right, but I do personally have my doubts that will see any major shift in a down wards trend in the price of energy next summer, to be honest.
A very close family member who is a financial forecaster, predicted the U.K. was heading towards another recession three months ago, after attending a meeting at the Bank of England in London.
He is also seeing the latest money moves ( interest rises etc etc ) purely as delaying tactics towards before the real out come.
Time will tell I guess !.

 

[MichaelJHunt]

You seem to be set up to get Intelligent Octopus tariff. 7.5p for 6 hours 23:30-05:30 plus extra at times of plentiful power. The rest of the time you will get charged at ~39p Ohme will manage your charging via its smart system, linking with Octopus and the Grid. We have ASHP heating and expect to use 50% of power at off peak, equivalent to 23p a kWh. If you haven’t joined up with Octopus you can save £50 on your bill with this referral Octopus Energy

we can expect tariffs to fall next summer, once we have got through the present winter and got by without Russian gas.

We don't actually get much gas from Russia in the UK:

 

[BrianG]

It doesn’t matter that we don’t get gas from Russia, it is an international market with international pricing. The suspicion that there is a shortage is enough for the markets to raise prices. But price pressures in Europe will restrict energy demand over the winter. If demand falls 15% across Europe as is planned for we will end up without a shortage. And if that happens prices will fall. Wind is powering Europe this week end. Agile tariff has gone negative today. The wind forecast for the next 7 days is good too. Keeping wind production high until March would defeat the gas market. Storage is full, and provides a buffer of a couple of months across Europe, though not the UK… France will get its nuclear fleet running again, one is to restart every week from the end of October. With enforced energy conservation they should scrape through. Flammanville is set to be on line later in 2023 at long last. The UK will add nearly 4 GW of new wind power by the end of 2023, Germany will have 5 FLNG terminals to replace much of its Russian gas The Netherlands will also have additional FLNG terminals and it is quite possible to move LNG by train. From dock to power station. Much will happen in the next 12 months to reduce prices.

 

[MichaelJHunt]

It doesn’t matter that we don’t get gas from Russia, it is an international market with international pricing. The suspicion that there is a shortage is enough for the markets to raise prices. But price pressures in Europe will restrict energy demand over the winter. If demand falls 15% across Europe as is planned for we will end up without a shortage. And if that happens prices will fall. Wind is powering Europe this week end. Agile tariff has gone negative today. The wind forecast for the next 7 days is good too. Keeping wind production high until March would defeat the gas market. Storage is full, and provides a buffer of a couple of months across Europe, though not the UK… France will get its nuclear fleet running again, one is to restart every week from the end of October. With enforced energy conservation they should scrape through. Flammanville is set to be on line later in 2023 at long last. The UK will add nearly 4 GW of new wind power by the end of 2023, Germany will have 5 FLNG terminals to replace much of its Russian gas The Netherlands will also have additional FLNG terminals and it is quite possible to move LNG by train. From dock to power station. Much will happen in the next 12 months to reduce prices.

Excellent information

 

[BrianG]

I could add more… The UK has been importing LNG converting it to gas and sending it to Europe via Bacton in Norfolk. If my sums are right we have been sending 30GW an hour plus exporting electricity also made from gas/lng. 3/4 GW has been sent for months now. The lng has been shipped into Milford Haven and it is now also coming into Isle of Grain. Five or six huge tankers arrive each week from Qatar, the US, Chile, and assorted other places. We can store the lng but it helps to process it and send it on its way to make room for the next ship. The smaller ships hold 170,000 m3 turn round in about 24 hours. The Q Max tankers hold 260,000 m3 take 36 hours to unload. This time last week there were 8 loaded tankers anchored off Cadiz waiting for orders. It takes 7-8!weeks for a return trip to the US a few days longer to Qatar. Australia also export LNG but to the far east. There was a fire on their processing ship which stopped exports for about 6 months but they are back in business.