Inefficient charging cable

[saucebrun]

Purchased a "Simply Auto EV005" charging cable from Euro Car Parts.
Cable is Type 2 to Type 2 - 32AMP - 5M - 3 Phase.
Connected to 22kW charging station (Pod-Point) but getting max charging power of 10kW.
Tried two charging stations at different locations and they both give the same charging power.
Is it the cable or is it something I'm doing wrong?

MG4 Trophy.
Only had the car for a coupe of weeks. Loving it so far.

 

[tsedge]

Purchased a "Simply Auto EV005" charging cable from Euro Car Parts.
Cable is Type 2 to Type 2 - 32AMP - 5M - 3 Phase.
Connected to 22kW charging station (Pod-Point) but getting max charging power of 10kW.
Tried two charging stations at different locations and they both give the same charging power.
Is it the cable or is it something I'm doing wrong?

MG4 Trophy.
Only had the car for a coupe of weeks. Loving it so far.

10kW is the maximum for an MG4. It supports 11kW but with losses you'll typically see 9.6-10kW at the car. Still better than the 6.6kW you'd get with 7kW charging.

 

[Jomarkh]

Purchased a "Simply Auto EV005" charging cable from Euro Car Parts.
Cable is Type 2 to Type 2 - 32AMP - 5M - 3 Phase.
Connected to 22kW charging station (Pod-Point) but getting max charging power of 10kW.
Tried two charging stations at different locations and they both give the same charging power.
Is it the cable or is it something I'm doing wrong?

MG4 Trophy.
Only had the car for a coupe of weeks. Loving it so far.

Have a look at other threads by putting a few words in the search bar.

 

[saucebrun]

10kW is the maximum for an MG4. It supports 11kW but with losses you'll typically see 9.6-10kW at the car. Still better than the 6.6kW you'd get with 7kW charging.

What if I were to use a 50kW CCS charging point?

 

[tsedge]

What if I were to use a 50kW CCS charging point?

With a Trophy it is capable of 135kW max charge rate via CCS - however that is at optimum battery temperature and low state of charge so in the real world you'll get less, especially as it fills up. You should achieve 50kW no problem say until 70-80% then it will drop. I have seen 50kW at 80%, 30kW at 90%, for example.

Here are some photos of rate I got on a BP Pulse charger rated at 150kW but I never saw more than 87kW.

 

[NoSkill]

For a bit more information the difference is AC vs DC, upto 22kW chargers use AC which needs a charger/inverter in the car to convert to DC before charging the battery, in the case of the MG4 Trophy this is limited to 11kW (before losses) as mentioned.

50kW+ chargers are DC and don't rely on that circuitry, in this case the car supports upto 135kW (and some have seen more).

 

[Cocijo]

Purchased a "Simply Auto EV005" charging cable from Euro Car Parts.
Cable is Type 2 to Type 2 - 32AMP - 5M - 3 Phase.
Connected to 22kW charging station (Pod-Point) but getting max charging power of 10kW.
Tried two charging stations at different locations and they both give the same charging power.
Is it the cable or is it something I'm doing wrong?

MG4 Trophy.
Only had the car for a coupe of weeks. Loving it so far.

These 22kwhr charging stations are pointless in most cases. I really don’t know why they were introduced - unless the intention was to have more cars with onboard charging capabilities of 22kwhr. I think that the Renault Zoe is one of the only cars with an OBC capable of 22kwhr. The vast majority are 7 or 11kwhr maximum.

 

[StackH]

These 22kwhr charging stations are pointless in most cases. I really don’t know why they were introduced - unless the intention was to have more cars with onboard charging capabilities of 22kwhr. I think that the Renault Zoe is one of the only cars with an OBC capable of 22kwhr. The vast majority are 7 or 11kwhr maximum.

Renaul Megane E-Tech also supports 22kw AC charging.

 

[Cocijo]

Renaul Megane E-Tech also supports 22kw AC charging.

Let’s keep that quiet

 

[siteguru]

And a nice, subtle correction of the unit of measurement.

kW = charge rate, what you get from a charge point
kWh = charge capacity, what you can store in the battery

 

[Cocijo]

And a nice, subtle correction of the unit of measurement.

kW = charge rate, what you get from a charge point
kWh = charge capacity, what you can store in the battery

kW vs. kWh: What's the Difference? | Direct Energy Regulated Services

Learn the key difference between a kilowatt (kW) and a kilowatt-hour (kWh) and what they mean on your energy bill.

www.directenergyregulatedservices.com

 

[Cocijo]

Charge points need to define the power over time

 

[emmrecs]

@saucebrun

Going back to your "Inefficient charging cable" and later question about CCS, I hope you understand that CCS chargers have their own tethered cables? My apologies if you already know that but I wondered whether you were asking about using that "inefficient" cable with a CCS charger.

 

[siteguru]

@Cocijo that article says exactly what I have said:

How fast = rate = kW (so a charge point is defined by the maximum rate it can provide a charge)
How much = capacity = kWh = rate multiplied by time (which is defined by the capacity of the EV battery)

 

[Cocijo]

@Cocijo that article says exactly what I have said:

How fast = rate = kW (so a charge point is defined by the maximum rate it can provide a charge)
How much = capacity = kWh = rate multiplied by time (which is defined by the capacity of the EV battery)

Yes - nice when we agree.

 

[tsedge]

@Cocijo that article says exactly what I have said:

How fast = rate = kW (so a charge point is defined by the maximum rate it can provide a charge)
How much = capacity = kWh = rate multiplied by time (which is defined by the capacity of the EV battery)

Yeah but an article is so much more 'official' innit?

 

[FiferMG4]

Let’s keep that quiet

I’m sure our resident E-Tech expert already knows that.

 

[tsedge]

I’m sure our resident E-Tech expert already knows that.

La voiture française est tellement incroyable!

 

[FiferMG4]

La voiture française est tellement incroyable!

Mais bien sûr.

 

[Cocijo]

Le troll is gonna get you.