MGS6 getting closer

[Ruislip Resident]

I believe that besides the price, success will also depend on charging speed and longer range – after all, in today’s standards, just under 500 km is below average. And above all, charging speed will be the key factor next year. I’d also appreciate OTA updates – I’m not sure whether the S5 already supports them.

There will never be OTA updates.

 

[LenEV2016]

There will never be OTA updates.

I think there is on the IMs, probably not on anything else

 

[tsedge]

Not sure range is that important in Europe. It may vary depending on the country, but in the UK, ranges are already long enough for almost everyone.

Similarly, charging speed is already too quick for many who want to stop and have a bite to eat / drink en-route. Yes, if you are targeting people who travel long-distance for work, but this is now quite a small percentage of people overall.

Again, this may well vary by country, I'm speaking about the UK here.

OTA updates are not a panacea. Yes, people would like to have their car updated remotely. But then, supposing an update bricks your car on your driveway or the roadside?

Some makes, like Renault, have hedged their bets, with two types of updates: some that are OTA and some that require a dealer visit.

 

[Joningy]

Longer range may be a thing to aim for, I virtually always charge at home, only on longer trips do I use public charging and then I try to stick with carefully chosen Tesla networks.

OTA updates option appears to be available on the S5, if so will almost certainly be available on the S6, I've checked the S5 option, but it took ages to do anything, but seems to be there somewhere
If charging speed is important the new S6 will probably be fast enough, my S5 impressed recently in Wales and didn't take long to get to 100%, whilst we wandered around a small outlet.

 

[tsedge]

There's an OTA update system on the MG4, but it has never done anything. I wouldn't be too hopeful about the MGS6. I expect it needs a shift to a new software architecture, such as the IM cars have done - although the presence of workibg OTA with the IMs has yet to be confirmed.

Hopefully MG will adopt the same / a similar system.

I would also add: if the software arrives in a more mature state, without obvious bugs, then how it can be updated is much less important / relevant.

Many people just want software that works, they are not so bothered about new feature upgrades that arrive later.

 

[Joningy]

There's an OTA update system on the MG4, but it has never done anything. I wouldn't be too hopeful about the MGS6. I expect it needs a shift to a new software architecture, such as the IM cars have done - although the presence of workibg OTA with the IMs has yet to be confirmed.

Hopefully MG will adopt the same / a similar system.

I would also add: if the software arrives in a more mature state, without obvious bugs, then how it can be updated is much less important / relevant.

Many people just want software that works, they are not so bothered about new feature upgrades that arrive later.

Perhaps just a few of us are expecting too much for our miserly budget @tsedge?

 

[tsedge]

Perhaps just a few of us are expecting too much for our miserly budget @tsedge?

Well there's the inevitable comparison with Tesla. But Tesla have been doing vertical integration and their own software for 13+ years, so it is going to take time for others to fully catch up.

I would say if OTA updates are the most important thing, buy a Tesla.

 

[tsedge]

The final thing I would add is that OTA updates can come with some drawbacks:

1. The manufacturer, in the new vertical model, typically has to write their own code to replace mature OEM components that already work well - note that with Tesla, lots of features that other cars have as standard (like rain-sensing wipers, automatic high beam) took a long time to come out.

2. If the hardware is over-simplified the software-heavy replacements can be a poor substitute - e.g. Tesla again, without a rain sensor the wipers have been griped about a lot.

3. It incentivises the manufacturer to create their own walled garden and to ignore standards. By contract OEMs have to embrace standards to increase their sales. So you end up with less choice - e.g. Tesla not supporting CarPlay / AndroidAuto and only supplying their apps, whether they are the apps you want to use or not.

 

[john1000uk]

Moving slightly away from the conversation? I just thought I'd throw in that as a retired person I generally only use about 36 kwh of my total battery of 62kwh. Yes its nice to have the reserve but usually we don't do much more than 100 miles round trip, often less. What's my point, well massive battery's aren't always worth it for some of us.

 

[Joningy]

OTA updates are probably close to the bottom of my wishlist, having a reliable, reasonable priced car is near the top, I won't be buying a Tesla or any other "prestige" wrapper, coz I too am retired and old school mean!
Had more expensive cars when they could lower my income tax bill, but no more.
The MGS5 is nicer to drive and quicker than most of the cars I've owned.
BUT I could be tempted by the S6 after it's been around for a few months

 

[DaveIJ]

The MGS5 is my first EV and four months in I am loving the experience and the car has exceeded my expectations. It our second car but I drive it all the time.

 

[Cpt Scarlet]

Looks like the MGS6 has finally broken cover on their website. Looks remarkably similar to the one launched by NCAP a few weeks ago

 

[tsedge]

Yep, we are currently planning to record a new podcast on the MGS6 next week if all goes well, with plenty of details.

 

[EvTek23]

Autocar have posted this about the new
MG S6 release.

MG's new electric SUV is cheaper than its Skoda rival and promises a longer range | Autocar

Bigger sibling to the S5 EV, brings more space and a price to undercut European electric SUV rivals

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[Miles Roberts CG]

Yep, we are currently planning to record a new podcast on the MGS6 next week if all goes well, with plenty of details.

Yep, I'm driving the car for the first time on Monday at Millbrook, so I'll be able to give my impressions on the Podcast on Tuesday.

 

[LenEV2016]

Surprised at the pricing as the dual motor looks to be in direct competition with the long range IMs.

The S6 EV is priced to undercut the European competition, starting from £37,995, compared with the entry-level Enyaq’s £39,010.

The Long Range Trophy is £40,995, while the range-topping Dual Motor Trophy is £43,995.

 

[DaveIJ]

Looks like another step forward for MG and you get HUD on the trophy

 

[Caramaddy]

The MGS5 is my first EV and four months in I am loving the experience and the car has exceeded my expectations. It our second car but I drive it all the time.

Exactly the same here!

 

[EvTek23]

A review just released by Autocar;

MG S6 EV review: new electric SUV from China should have European carmakers worried | Autocar

MG's largest car is the missing link between its core EVs and luxury IM division

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[tsedge]

Surprised at the pricing as the dual motor looks to be in direct competition with the long range IMs.

The S6 EV is priced to undercut the European competition, starting from £37,995, compared with the entry-level Enyaq’s £39,010.

The Long Range Trophy is £40,995, while the range-topping Dual Motor Trophy is £43,995.

The price ranges don't overlap with the IM6 and it is quite a different offering in terms of the architecture (400/800V), battery size, charging speed, interior, range and tech.

You could say the top-of-the-range is only £4k less than the entry level IM6, but thats 2wd vs 4wd and quite a different offering.

So the list pricing makes sense to me, although it will be interesting to see if discounting ends up keeping, widening or narrowing that gap.