Not so great news for Tesla

[NikLiverpool]

Interesting.
I just read this article: Almost Half of Tesla Model Ys Fail Mandatory Inspections in Denmark and Norway According to Data from Scandinavian Road Authority

Tesla's famous approach 'no service needed' doesn't seem to age that well. I have paid the price for this personally with my old Model 3.

Would be interesting to see if there is info for MG on that matter.

 

[Everest]

Good (for me) that the VW's are holding up well

 

[MG Clive]

Also I think they were saying on the news this morning that Tesla profits were well down, no wonder with bad reports like that.

 

[Lovemyev]

We paid a visit to the Trafford Centre this week.
For about the last 2 - 3 years, Tesla have occupied a large section of one of the outside car parks.
They have a massive stock pile of brand new cars and what looks like a good number of slightly older models, that could be X lease / PCP returns.
There is also a Tesla building on site as well.
But I was surprised to see that every single car has gone !.
The building is still there, as is the fence all the way around the car park ?.
What ever has happened, it has happened in the last six months or so.
I just thought it was a little strange ?.

 

[Everest]

But I was surprised to see that every single car has gone !.
The building is still there, as is the fence all the way around the car park ?.
What ever has happened, it has happened in the last six months or so.

Obviously, as everyone loves Elon so much, they have bought all the stock

 

[NikLiverpool]

We paid a visit to the Trafford Centre this week.
For about the last 2 - 3 years, Tesla have occupied a large section of one of the outside car parks.
They have a massive stock pile of brand new cars and what looks like a good number of slightly older models, that could be X lease / PCP returns.
There is also a Tesla building on site as well.
But I was surprised to see that every single car has gone !.
The building is still there, as is the fence all the way around the car park ?.
What ever has happened, it has happened in the last six months or so.
I just thought it was a little strange ?.

Based on Google maps: permanently closed.

 

[Lovemyev]

After a bit of scratching around, it looks like they have relocated to a brand new delivery hub, fairly close by.

 

[Ian Key]

Would be interesting to see if there is info for MG on that matter.

According to research done by Tempcover MG had a good pass rate in 2024.

Polestar (89.97%)
Porsche (87.98%)
Lexus (87.22%)
Tesla (84.03%)
BMW (81.83%)
MG (81.47%)
Jaguar (81.19%)
Audi (81.11%)
MINI (80.96%)
Skoda (80.94%)
Toyota (80.57%)
Mercedes-Benz (80.15%)
Land Rover (79.99%)
Dacia (79.67%)
Suzuki (79.15%)
Hyundai (78.81%)
Jeep (78.70%)
Kia (78.67%)
SEAT (78.37%)
Honda (78.18%)
DS (77.63%)
Subaru (77.44%)
Volvo (77%)
Volkswagen (76.48%)
Mazda (76.41%)
smart (75.46%)
Ford (74.77%)
Nissan (74.21%)
Fiat (73.51%)
Peugeot (73.07%)
Vauxhall (71.88%)
Alfa Romeo (71.29%)
Citroen (70.78%)
Renault (67.73%)

 

[Gomev]

According to research done by Tempcover MG had a good pass rate in 2024.

Polestar (89.97%)
Porsche (87.98%)
Lexus (87.22%)
Tesla (84.03%)
BMW (81.83%)
MG (81.47%)
Jaguar (81.19%)
Audi (81.11%)
MINI (80.96%)
Skoda (80.94%)
Toyota (80.57%)
Mercedes-Benz (80.15%)
Land Rover (79.99%)
Dacia (79.67%)
Suzuki (79.15%)
Hyundai (78.81%)
Jeep (78.70%)
Kia (78.67%)
SEAT (78.37%)
Honda (78.18%)
DS (77.63%)
Subaru (77.44%)
Volvo (77%)
Volkswagen (76.48%)
Mazda (76.41%)
smart (75.46%)
Ford (74.77%)
Nissan (74.21%)
Fiat (73.51%)
Peugeot (73.07%)
Vauxhall (71.88%)
Alfa Romeo (71.29%)
Citroen (70.78%)
Renault (67.73%)

Puts Tesla as number 4.

 

[LenEV2016]

Tesla's announcement during the week about the end of the S and X models means that bar the roadster the 3 and Y could be its last models.

Musk seems intent on concentrating on his robot army and robotaxis.

It seems a shame because if they had released a 5 door car bit smaller than the 3 with over 300 miles range at the time they were talking about it, I think they would have cleaned up.

 

[NikLiverpool]

I have the same feeling. I can see Tesla stepping away from conventional car market, focusing on the taxi, robotics and maybe as a supplier of self driving solutions for other car manufacturers.

 

[T1 Terry]

According to research done by Tempcover MG had a good pass rate in 2024.

Polestar (89.97%)
Porsche (87.98%)
Lexus (87.22%)
Tesla (84.03%)
BMW (81.83%)
MG (81.47%)
Jaguar (81.19%)
Audi (81.11%)
MINI (80.96%)
Skoda (80.94%)
Toyota (80.57%)
Mercedes-Benz (80.15%)
Land Rover (79.99%)
Dacia (79.67%)
Suzuki (79.15%)
Hyundai (78.81%)
Jeep (78.70%)
Kia (78.67%)
SEAT (78.37%)
Honda (78.18%)
DS (77.63%)
Subaru (77.44%)
Volvo (77%)
Volkswagen (76.48%)
Mazda (76.41%)
smart (75.46%)
Ford (74.77%)
Nissan (74.21%)
Fiat (73.51%)
Peugeot (73.07%)
Vauxhall (71.88%)
Alfa Romeo (71.29%)
Citroen (70.78%)
Renault (67.73%)

That was in 2024, I'm guessing the Cyber truck would have pulled it down a long way.
I see they no longer offer Autopilot as a feature, because they refused to accept responsibility claiming the driver must still be in control of the vehicle, basically, they knew it wasn't reliable and now Musk might be facing some serious court time in regards to injuries and deaths because the hype selling said it could drive itself, knowing full well it had serious problems .....

I think he is concentrating on his prime mover trucks and battery backed charging stations to support the huge charge rates he is claiming these trucks will charge at to supply the high speed charging required to match diesel fill times.

No idea how much truth there is in the claims that Canada has stopped any lithium shipments and Musk has all his manufacturing plants set to use the type of lithium Canada mines, Canada is basically buying the shipments and holding them in reserve, so Musk would have to deal with Carney to buy any, and you can bet it wouldn't be at a bargain price .....

T1 Terry

 

[Porsche944]

Interesting.
I just read this article: Almost Half of Tesla Model Ys Fail Mandatory Inspections in Denmark and Norway According to Data from Scandinavian Road Authority

Tesla's famous approach 'no service needed' doesn't seem to age that well. I have paid the price for this personally with my old Model 3.

Would be interesting to see if there is info for MG on that matter.

But in Denmark and Norway there is a very high percentage of Teslas, especially as Taxis. So that will skew the numbers.

 

[LenEV2016]

But in Denmark and Norway there is a very high percentage of Teslas, especially as Taxis. So that will skew the numbers.

Yeah Teslas are everywhere in Norway, best selling car brand there for the last 5 years apparently

 

[salty]

Only going off what I've read. But is the demise of Telsa, cars. A tad exaggerated.
Actually quite like, Teslas.

 

[LenEV2016]

Only going off what I've read. But is the demise of Telsa, cars. A tad exaggerated.
Actually quite like, Teslas.

I like them also, it just seems that they have binned all plans for new models in favour of robotaxis and robots.
It's a shame as they risk being caught and left behind by other EV maker's now

It's a bit like nissan they were ahead of the game with the leaf and then pretty much stood still

 

[T1 Terry]

This might be an interesting watch maybe in 30 min chapters over the next week or so, quite a detailed exposure of the real Elon Musk ....... The master of fluff, total B/S and the Con game if you believe what is in the You Tube movie length doco

T1 Terry

 

[tsedge]

Musk is convinced that the future must belong to self-driving robotaxis and humanoid robots. He is certain everyone will want one. Techno-utopians like him think new technology is the answer to everything.

I see no firm evidence that this is what people want:

- Most people like to own their own car, not to share it as a taxi and they enjoy driving themselves more than being driven.

- The idea of a humanoid robot at home is pretty ghoulish and unsettling for a lot of people.

So it looks like a "bet the company" moment on an uncertain future.

Meanwhile, all the other manufacturers are steadily improving their cars, catching up with Tesla's innovations and offer far more choice.

Teslas are still good cars, but now there are so many other options that their market share is likely to fall outside the US.

 

[Gomev]

Musk is convinced that the future must belong to self-driving robotaxis and humanoid robots. He is certain everyone will want one. Techno-utopians like him think new technology is the answer to everything.

I see no firm evidence that this is what people want:

- Most people like to own their own car, not to share it as a taxi and they enjoy driving themselves more than being driven.

- The idea of a humanoid robot at home is pretty ghoulish and unsettling for a lot of people.

So it looks like a "bet the company" moment on an uncertain future.

Meanwhile, all the other manufacturers are steadily improving their cars, catching up with Tesla's innovations and offer far more choice.

Teslas are still good cars, but now there are so many other options that their market share is likely to fall outside the US.

Whilst I agree with what you say, in 2008 (Tesla Roadster), 2009 (Nissan Leaf), 2012 (Tesla Model S), did we see any firm evidence that EVs were what people wanted then ?

 

[tsedge]

Whilst I agree with what you say, in 2008 (Tesla Roadster), 2009 (Nissan Leaf), 2012 (Tesla Model S), did we see any firm evidence that EVs were what people wanted then ?

People wanted better cars and EVs are better cars for most people. The key isn't the EV bit per se, it is what it does for the cost of ownership and the driving experience.

Musk didn't come up with the idea, it was around for decades as we saw with GM's EV1 in the 90s, but the technology wasn't ready. Interestingly, he didn't found Tesla, he bought into it early on.

Now you can say:

- People don't want their cars taken away but they do want the option to be self-driven or not to own a car in a city where self-driving taxis are ubiquitous.

- People don't want a robot in the home but they do want the chores done for them.

We'll see if he is right!