Pay per mile. Another blow for EV drivers

[salty]

Shhhh

If Rachel reads this thread, we are doomed. We've done her job for her.

 

[MG Clive]

If Rachel reads this thread, we are doomed. We've done her job for her.

Some would say we're doomed anyway mate.

 

[LenEV2016]

Death and Taxes. Soon youll be taxed at death. Taking up space in the ground or emissions caused by cremation. Relatives liable. You couldnt even exit in peace. Thats the real exit tax.

If the hearse is an EV, who pays the 3p per mile

 

[salty]

Some would say we're doomed anyway mate.

Where's a ******* massive asteroid, when you need it.

 

[MG Clive]

It will be £12548 from April 2026, so it'll be very close.

Yep 6% or more, takes it over. If you get the full state pension.

Not even that, it'll only be £22 off.

 

[Everest]

Where's a ******* massive asteroid, when you need it.

to fill Rachel's black hole?

 

[LenEV2016]

Without stealth taxes (freezing the thresholds), allowing for CPI inflation, the thresholds should now be:

Tax-free allowance: £15,490
20% rate: up to £61,921
40% rate: up to £184,766 (assuming £25,000 cut reversed)
45% rate: above £184,766 (assuming £25,000 cut reversed)

Come up to Scotland and enjoy progressive taxation.

Personal AllowanceUp to £12,570 0%
Starter rate£12,571 to £15,397 19%
Scottish basic rate£15,398 to £27,491 20%
Intermediate rate£27,492 to £43,662 21%
Higher rate£43,663 to £75,000 42%
Advanced rate£75,001 to £125,140 45%
Top rateOver £125,140 48%

 

[salty]

If the hearse is an EV, who pays the 3p per mile

Probably save on cremation costs though, it's bound to burst into flames, before it gets there.

 

[Lovemyev]

Death and Taxes. Soon youll be taxed at death. Taking up space in the ground or emissions caused by cremation. Relatives liable. You couldnt even exit in peace. Thats the real exit tax.

To late my friend !.
Sorry, but there is already a “death tax” in place.
One thing is certain - you enter this world with nothing and leave this world with nothing as well !.

 

[T1 Terry]

Death and Taxes. Soon youll be taxed at death. Taking up space in the ground or emissions caused by cremation. Relatives liable. You couldnt even exit in peace. Thats the real exit tax.

You could do the Aussie method and become shark bait or crab bait ...... they might get taxed on the seafood haul, but at least they can't say you were good for nothing

We all knew they'd find a way to tax sunshine and wind, do they hit hybrids with the fuel tax, road tax and 3p a mile as well?

T1 Terry

 

[MG Clive]

We all knew they'd find a way to tax sunshine and wind, do they hit hybrids with the fuel tax, road tax and 3p a mile as well?

T1 Terry

Yes, Plug in Hybrids pay the full road tax (VED), but only 1½ pence per mile instead of 3 pence.

 

[stevedee]

While I don't object to an additional tax on EV (in addition to purchase tax (20%), vehicle (ownership) tax, & vat on electricity). I do object to an estimated mileage tax; I.e. the BBC suggested that you'd estimate your mileage for the coming year, pay tax during the year, then argue about over/under payment at the end of the year!
You don't pay-per-mile with an old school ICE. You pay via fuel useage.
This is how it must be implemented on an EV.
Just make it a legal requirement that all EV must keep a long term record of energy use (kW/hr) in that same way that all vehicles must with mileage.
Those EV that do not already have this feature can easily be upgraded. Its only software, & can often be done OTA, while you sleep!

 

[LenEV2016]

While I don't object to an additional tax on EV (in addition to purchase tax (20%), vehicle (ownership) tax, & vat on electricity). I do object to an estimated mileage tax; I.e. the BBC suggested that you'd estimate your mileage for the coming year, pay tax during the year, then argue about over/under payment at the end of the year!
You don't pay-per-mile with an old school ICE. You pay via fuel useage.
This is how it must be implemented on an EV.
Just make it a legal requirement that all EV must keep a long term record of energy use (kW/hr) in that same way that all vehicles must with mileage.
Those EV that do not already have this feature can easily be upgraded. Its only software, & can often be done OTA, while you sleep!

Energy use could be variable, and I get that is the same with ice, drive faster/more spirited and having a less efficient car means you pay more, as you use more fuel.

The same will happen with EVs, keeping it relevant to this forum,. The IM cars have already proved they are not the most efficient (especially the performance variants) drive these as they are capable then what you are proposing means owners of these cars will be paying considerably more than EV owners with really efficient cars that potter about trying to be as efficient as they can, driving slower than speed limits hyper miling etc.

That then makes this plan more divisive.rhe option to spread the cost monthly can make it more manageable for some and I don't think there will be any arguing at the end of the year, if your due money back it just goes as a credit on your next years mileage.

 

[Gomev]

I'm intending to say:

- The tax should not be paid in advance (fuel duty isn't) and there's no good justification for that, especially as significant numbers of people won't have a predictable mileage.

Surely fuel duty is paid in advance, but in instalments as you fill the tank.

 

[stevedee]

Energy use could be variable, and I get that is the same with ice, driver faster/more spirited and having a less efficient car means you pay more, as you use more fuel.

The same will happen with EVs, keeping it relevant to this forum,. The IM cars have already proved they are not the most efficient (especially the performance variants) drive these as they are capable then what you are proposing means owners of these cars will be paying considerably more than EV owners with really efficient cars that potter about trying to be as efficient as they can, driving slower than speed limits hyper miling etc.

That then makes this plan more divisive.rhe option to spread the cost monthly can make it more manageable for some and I don't think there will be any arguing at the end of the year, if your due money back it just goes as a credit on your next years mileage.

Some of the primary benefits of charging tax by kW/hr are; encouraging manufacturers to make their cars more efficient, to encourage users to use less energy & stick within the speed limits.

Encouraging less energy use is a good thing, after all, electricity doesn't just arrive at the flick of a switch, does it? (oh wait! Yes it does, doesn't it!).

Electricity has to be generated from something, and we are going to need an awful lot more of the stuff in the next few years (EV, AI, & trying to cool the planet down.

 

[Gomev]

I don't get my state pension until 2032 ... and it'll all be taxable as my work pension (that I took early) already uses up my tax free allowance. Plus my previous work pension comes due in 2030, so that'll all be taxable too.

HMRC automatically allocates your personal allowance to the State pension first. Any excess allowance is then allocated to any other known fixed incomes, such as personal pensions, and then to variable incomes, such as work place earnings. You can request them to do otherwise but you do have to request it.
Currently there is an excess from the personal allowance but this will disappear for anyone in receipt of the full new state pension in April 2027 due to triple lock minimum 2.5% increase and frozen personal tax allowance.

 

[LenEV2016]

Some of the primary benefits of charging tax by kW/hr are; encouraging manufacturers to make their cars more efficient, to encourage users to use less energy & stick within the speed limits.

Encouraging less energy use is a good thing, after all, electricity doesn't just arrive at the flick of a switch, does it? (oh wait! Yes it does, doesn't it!).

Electricity has to be generated from something, and we are going to need an awful lot more of the stuff in the next few years (EV, AI, & trying to cool the planet down.

It may be a solution in the future but manufacturers in the short term are combatting small EV range by chucking bigger and bigger batteries in larger and heavier cars makeing them go a lot further but a lot less efficiently.

And our roads don't need a whole load of EV drivers dawdling along going 10-15 miles under the speed limits trying to conserve energy in a bid to save a couple of pounds, when there is actually an argument for increasing the speeds on our motorways.
It would back up the anti EV idiots arguements, I bought an EV as it's a better driving experience with better technology and I get to charge at home, I also drive exactly as I did in my ice car, heating/Aircon on and driving at speed limits.

 

[stevedee]

It may be a solution in the future but manufacturers in the short term are combatting small EV range by chucking bigger and bigger batteries in larger and heavier cars makeing them go a lot further but a lot less efficiently.

And our roads don't need a whole load of EV drivers dawdling along going 10-15 miles under the speed limits...

The market (like any market) changes over time.
I'm pretty sure the EV market will keep growing, certainty over the mid-term. And with this growth will come more variety & choice.
Vehicles will get lighter (or at least higher kW/ton) and it will be easier to match a car to your needs.

I don't understand your 'under the speed limits' (with as 's') comment. I do hope you don't find yourself stuck behind me on a motorway, as I dawdle along with cruise control set to 60mph.

We have (maybe) 2years to influence the gov regarding future EV taxation. Just be very careful what you wish for.

I strongly believe that we all have a right to complain about taxes, but we all have a duty to pay them.
(Otherwise, Thatcher was right; there is no such thing as Society).

 

[OriginalBigAl]

I am going to add I used to drive my ICE car more economically and less often because that gave better savings comparatively. A shopping trip to my nearest large town was around a gallon of fuel whereas 9 kw of electrons ( 12cents a kw ) does the same job ..... and faster .... and warmer/cooler.
But , what am I saying , you all know that anyway. What is going to spoil the party is the newer technology automatically slowing down other drivers making them a passive rolling policeman , and those people being unwilling/unable to do anything about it. The Golden age of motoring is in the past , if you were lucky you might have caught the last few years of it , but without realising. The EV transition , whilst welcome , is the first step towards a smooth automated ride in your own personnel taxi, technologically controlled and driven by more of those electrons.
To our younger members ...... sorry, you will just have to listen to your elder relatives and share their reminisces of what once was.

 

[LenEV2016]

I don't understand your 'under the speed limits' (with as 's') comment. I do hope you don't find yourself stuck behind me on a motorway, as I dawdle along with cruise control set to 60mph.

We have (maybe) 2years to influence the gov regarding future EV taxation. Just be very careful what you wish for.

I strongly believe that we all have a right to complain about taxes, but we all have a duty to pay them.
(Otherwise, Thatcher was right; there is no such thing as Society).

Disagree with people driving that slow on the motorway, if conditions allow the speed limit/or as near to it to be reached then for the most part people should, it can cause unnecessary issues.

I don't wish for anything but believe the pence per mile tax is coming for all vehicles and EVs and phevs are just the test subjects to iron out issues as Thatcher did when she shafted Scotland with being the test subjects for the poll tax, may she not rest in peace.

Complain all you like it will make not an ounce of difference.