Pay per mile. Another blow for EV drivers

[Tangoed Man]

More than happy to share my costs.
3 batteries, powewalls. 24k.
9 KW solars. 11k.
Heat pump. 1k thanks to funding and a massive octopus discount.

Gone of gas completely.
ROI based on calculations by octopus, installation company and myself, considering we have 2 EVs is 7 years. Can live with this.

You mentioned mineralls. I presume you are aware that 95% of a battery can be and they are getting recycled and reused. Search what is black mass.

I wonder, does petrol or diesel get recycled?

You mentioned that Volvo claimed that EVs are not environmentall friendly. Wrong. After 30k miles they are surpassing the ICE. Furthermore Volvo did not take under consideration fuel extraction, tanker transport, refining and transport to the pumps.

Furthermore these car companies would love for consumers to go back to ICE so they have a chance to survive. They are losing hard and fast on the EV front with their poor excuse of EVs....

Dig a little deeper. Over the lifetime of a car an EV with a large battery has a slightly larger carbon footprint that a medium-sized diesel. That is a fact - provided you do it scientifically and include all the carbon footprint to keep an EV running from raw materials, shipping those materials, manufacture of the vehicle, manufacture of the battery, and all the footprint to keep the EV running and charged for its whole of lifecycle and final disposal. There are some good articles and presentations on the web but do check for bias, invested interest etc. A good start would be from an accredited independent scientist with a substantive research position and no axe to grind, and demonstrable numbers to back up the evidence. Love my MG4, but it isn'
t going to save any polar bears .......

 

[Scotsman]

China cares about world economic domination as they will tell you if you go often as I did. They have cleaned up pollution but only based on cost reduction.
India is far worse.

What IAM saying is they still have all their coal fired power stations, unlike the UK that has none . America is on the drill drill for oil , the UK is on the close close all the oil fields. So we can be the saviours of the planet. America and china will all be driving about in ice vehicles 100 years from now , and the UK will be tits up a total shit show . 2030 won't happen for the end of ice vehicle manufacturing, that's my opinion though, The UK couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery that's my mumping and moaning finished, ? I ALWAYS LIKE TO FINISH ON A POSITIVE NOTE

 

[tsedge]

Interesting sidebar but can we keep this thread on the new EV tax please folks. Thank you

Easy to create an "EV vs ICE: Which has the lowest carbon footprint?" debate thread. Personally, it isn't a topic of interest to me.

 

[Black estate]

Lets back on track guys as we've gone from west coast main line to the trans Siberian railway

 

[Scotsman]

I think it is a good idea to MOT all vehicles every year, including those under 3 years old.

People who buy new cars can afford it and nobody seems to check their own cars any more and with bad roads I think it is good to check every car every year. Suspension and tyre problems are common and the Tesla approach of "do nothing until you get an obvious problem" ends up making repairs more expensive and potentially having dangerous cars on the road.

You don't need a new car MOTD every year if you're getting the car serviced once a year . A car generally doesn't fail it's MOT until it's 4 years that's electric. Longer for petrol . All the checks get done at the service so why pay again for an MOT at year one , hence why the government is looking at changing MOT to 4 years for first .? That's my thoughts on it .

 

[Tangoed Man]

My worry is it won’t be long before Rachel Reeves puts it up to 5p/mile.

Which she will justify is about what ICE owners pay.

 

[MG Clive]

My worry is it won’t be long before Rachel Reeves puts it up to 5p/mile.

It's been reported that it'll rise with inflation every year, so it will reach 5p per mile eventually.

 

[salty]

Which she will justify is about what ICE owners pay.

As long as it's more than us, I'm not arsed.


(Only joking of course)

 

[tsedge]

You don't need a new car MOTD every year if you're getting the car serviced once a year . A car generally doesn't fail it's MOT until it's 4 years that's electric. Longer for petrol . All the checks get done at the service so why pay again for an MOT at year one , hence why the government is looking at changing MOT to 4 years for first .? That's my thoughts on it .

Some new cars get no services, like Teslas, others get very long service intervals. You can't rely on an annual service.

It's been reported that it'll rise with inflation every year, so it will reach 5p per mile eventually.

Second year then!

 

[salty]

Second year then!

3rd year. £1 per mile.

 

[Tangoed Man]

Some new cars get no services, like Teslas, others get very long service intervals. You can't rely on an annual service.

Apart from the obvious fact the Tesla EV's are pretty much superior to most anything else, this pay-per-mile will only boost new Tesla sales.

It also makes me definitely want to hang on to my oil burning Mercedes for a year or two more, at least.

 

[Scotsman]

Some new cars get no services, like Teslas, others get very long service intervals. You can't rely on an annual service.

Well you should rely on an annual service, and we have all seen what happens to the cars that have long service intervals, all in the garage with problems? Tesla has a yearly inspection safety check?

 

[Rolfe]

It's slightly irritating, and it's absolutely infuriating the way it's been handled, but if cost is one's main consideration the EV certainly remains a lot cheaper than any ICE so long as you can charge at home. All this "I'm going to hang on to my diesel" or "I'm going back to petrol" is irrational.

 

[tsedge]

It's slightly irritating, and it's absolutely infuriating the way it's been handled, but if cost is one's main consideration the EV certainly remains a lot cheaper than any ICE so long as you can charge at home. All this "I'm going to hang on to my diesel" or "I'm going back to petrol" is irrational.

You are not factoring in the cost of getting a new car and associated depreciation.

Hanging on to my dad's old diesel is not only the cheapest thing I could it is also probably the most environmentally friendly (but I don't want to reopen that debate!).

Well you should rely on an annual service, and we have all seen what happens to the cars that have long service intervals, all in the garage with problems? Tesla has a yearly inspection safety check?

An awful lot of people (>95%?) just drive their cars and never check anything these days or have any check performed unless they are forced to. The expect the car to tell them if there's a problem.

I agree an annual check is needed and the MOT is the most cost effective way to provide that.

 

[Rolfe]

You are not factoring in the cost of getting a new car and associated depreciation.

Hanging on to my dad's old diesel is not only the cheapest thing I could it is also probably the most environmentally friendly (but I don't want to reopen that debate!).

I'm assuming we're talking about "new car time". At some point one generally has to move on. I agree there's no point in changing before then, but hanging on beyond that time just because of that 3p/mile, when you'd still be a lot cheaper after the chance, seems irrational.

 

[LenEV2016]

There should be no VED categories lower than £195, there isn't an argument that could be put forward where I would agree that any manky diesel (prior to 2017) should be paying anything less

 

[Rolfe]

Absolutely agree. I mean, what's the idea?

 

[Archev]

That's a given.

Actually an ungiven if you think about it