Pay per mile. Another blow for EV drivers

[salty]

So from a reducing polution point of view, i personally cant understand this government's 'choice' to de-incentivise electric cars.

Because they haven't got a clue. All they can see is pound signs. Else why do it.
As you say, it doesn't make, sense.

 

[JohnV6]

What makes sense is to move to synthetic petrol. If you achieve a full circular carbon cycle then you aren't scrapping the ice fleet and can slowly grow the bev infrastructure.

 

[T1 Terry]

For me it is more about simple polution. CO2 only being one (important) part of that equation.
Tyres of electric cars polute the same as ICE, but perhaps we could all breathe a bit easier outside the school gates or in towns etc. If everything was electric...
(Speaking as someone who has an asthmatic in the family).
So from a reducing polution point of view, i personally cant understand this government's 'choice' to de-incentivise electric cars.

The greedy Liberal govt did a similar thing over here. Added the fuel excise onto LPG that produces next to no carbon monoxide.

Yrs ago, they added the fuel excise tax onto heating oil ..... how can there be a claim for road upkeep for a fuel used to keep the place warm ..... this resulted in a surge of wood burners resulting in licences required to collect firewood, any excuse to collect more $$ to fund their incredibly over the top pensions, pay and perks .....

The argument over here now revolves around pay by the km should be for all vehicles with a multiplication factor to take in the weight per tyre on the road x the number of tyres contacting the road ..... and scrap the fuel excise completely .... that has put a shudder through the govt, if it is a road tax, then it must go to roads what about my pension and perks .... they can't openly say that but .....
There should be a health tax on the level of pollutants produced by any fuel ..... but that sounds like a carbon tax and we had a govt change over that one, so no one is game to put that one forward ...... but once the govt sponsored but privately owned (they sold them to their mates) coal fired power stations close because they can't compete with renewables.
They actually have to pay to generate into the grid through the days there is enough renewables to cover the load because they can't just stop spinning them, so they get their money back after sun down and before sun up, now that peak load demand is being eaten away by big batteries, the market is fading ..... naturally, the coal lobby is pressuring the govt to slow down the big battery projects, but that has backfired because the big solar and wind investors just coughed up the $$ to add big batteries on site, so they no longer have periods of no generation, it just goes into the batteries ....

The govt is running out of ideas on how to generate more tax $$ ..... I wonder if they'll bring in a compensation payment if they introduce a sex tax ..... "Not tonight dear, we can't afford it"

T1 Terry

 

[Black estate]

The greedy Liberal govt did a similar thing over here. Added the fuel excise onto LPG that produces next to no carbon monoxide.

Yrs ago, they added the fuel excise tax onto heating oil ..... how can there be a claim for road upkeep for a fuel used to keep the place warm ..... this resulted in a surge of wood burners resulting in licences required to collect firewood, any excuse to collect more $$ to fund their incredibly over the top pensions, pay and perks .....

The argument over here now revolves around pay by the km should be for all vehicles with a multiplication factor to take in the weight per tyre on the road x the number of tyres contacting the road ..... and scrap the fuel excise completely .... that has put a shudder through the govt, if it is a road tax, then it must go to roads what about my pension and perks .... they can't openly say that but .....
There should be a health tax on the level of pollutants produced by any fuel ..... but that sounds like a carbon tax and we had a govt change over that one, so no one is game to put that one forward ...... but once the govt sponsored but privately owned (they sold them to their mates) coal fired power stations close because they can't compete with renewables.
They actually have to pay to generate into the grid through the days there is enough renewables to cover the load because they can't just stop spinning them, so they get their money back after sun down and before sun up, now that peak load demand is being eaten away by big batteries, the market is fading ..... naturally, the coal lobby is pressuring the govt to slow down the big battery projects, but that has backfired because the big solar and wind investors just coughed up the $$ to add big batteries on site, so they no longer have periods of no generation, it just goes into the batteries ....

The govt is running out of ideas on how to generate more tax $$ ..... I wonder if they'll bring in a compensation payment if they introduce a sex tax ..... "Not tonight dear, we can't afford it"

T1 Terry

Talking of big battery sites there's a massive one near Sherbourne n Elmet , just up the road from Ferry bridge power station

 

[T1 Terry]

A huge setup a km from our back fence

South Australia, the world's most advanced renewable grid, adds seventh big battery

South Australia - regarded as the world's most advanced renewable grid - has added a seventh big battery, with seven more to join soon as they finish construction.

reneweconomy.com.au

fed by this Mannum Solar Farm Stage 2 expansion underway - Energy Magazine

All built on land that was virtually useless as farm land, but good farming land was destroyed to develop a new housing estate

T1 Terry

 

[stevedee]

For me it is more about simple polution. CO2 only being one (important) part of that equation...

I agree. Putting CO2 to one side, ICE create a lot of noise pollution & pollute the air we breathe with NOx & particulates.
I know a lot of people like the roar of an engine, but having previously lived next to a busy dual carriageway for over 25 years, I can tell you, noise is bad for your mental health.

 

[Gomev]

Talking of big battery sites there's a massive one near Sherbourne n Elmet , just up the road from Ferry bridge power station

Currently under construction at Monk Fryston, near Sherburn-in-Elmet. Ferrybridge's final coal fired power station 'C' closed in 2016 and demolition completed in 2021. SSE have plans for a hydrogen powered power station to be built in its place.
They were iconic landmarks.

 

[securespark]

To double the road maintenance budget in England.


Is what she said in her speech.

Is that a mistake?
Or will drivers everywhere be contributing just to the road maintenance budget for England?

 

[T1 Terry]

To double the road maintenance budget in England.


Is what she said in her speech.

Is that a mistake?
Or will drivers everywhere be contributing just to the road maintenance budget for England?

Yeah, twice what the put aside now over such a small area should really speed up those projects, so they might be completed in her life time ......

The next govt can offer improving the roads budget for other members of the UK, depending on the requirement for vote buying ....

T1 Terry

 

[chowbenter]

What I find strange is the timing of this e-VED taxation. It's scheduled to start in 2028 which will be election year if I'm not mistaken.
There will be around 1.5 million BEV/PHEV owners at that time who will most likely vote against the party that brought in this double taxation.

 

[LenEV2016]

What I find strange is the timing of this e-VED taxation. It's scheduled to start in 2028 which will be election year if I'm not mistaken.
There will be around 1.5 million BEV/PHEV owners at that time who will most likely vote against the party that brought in this double taxation.

2029 is when they have to, August 2029 at the latest

 

[tsedge]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to all the tax rises at the end of the parliament. They may well scrap some of them to win votes - maybe this will include the 3p/mile??

It all depends if they think a second term is possible. If they don't then they are free to do as much ideologically-driven taxation as they want, which is worrying.

Also, depends if Starmer/Reeves get replaced. Replacements likely to be more ideological, not less.

 

[tsedge]

To double the road maintenance budget in England.

No vehicle taxes are ring-fenced, they are used mainly to subsidise general taxation.

Is what she said in her speech.

Is that a mistake?
Or will drivers everywhere be contributing just to the road maintenance budget for England?

She is pretending the money goes on roads. Mostly it doesn't. They reduced the roads budget to near zero, so doubling is no great claim, if true.

It is smoke and mirrors, sadly.

 

[LenEV2016]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to all the tax rises at the end of the parliament. They may well scrap some of them to win votes - maybe this will include the 3p/mile??

It all depends if they think a second term is possible. If they don't then they are free to do as much ideologically-driven taxation as they want, which is worrying.

Also, depends if Starmer/Reeves get replaced. Replacements likely to be more ideological, not less.

Hence the reason they scrapped the welfare reforms and gave more money to baby factories!!



Not that it triggered me, if you can't afford to feed the kids you have don't have more, it's not rocket science

Rant over

 

[Everest]

Just make it a legal requirement that all EV must keep a long term record of energy use (kW/hr) in that same way that all vehicles must with mileage.

For 9 months of the year, mine is charged from our solar panels

Electricity has to be generated from something

It is all generated from the sun, ultimately. Just some of it was generated a long time ago.

My over night charging is usually at 7p with Octopus which is about 2p per mile. So at 3p per mile, my tax on electricity for my car is an eye watering 150%.

All my daytime charging is from direct solar, so 3p per mile is an even more eye-watering infinity %

 

[T1 Terry]

Hence the reason they scrapped the welfare reforms and gave more money to baby factories!!



Not that it triggered me, if you can't afford to feed the kids you have don't have more, it's not rocket science

Rant over

Can't afford the orange to hold between the knees

T1 Terry

 

[JohnV6]

Stones in a biscuit tin?

 

[Martinonline]

After the pay-mile-tax on EVs budget, the Sunday Times LinkedIn Poll question 'Are you now more or less likely to buy an EV?' resulted in 93% 'Less' and 7% 'More'. Strange question to include 'more' (some philanthropic people out there) and no statement about sample size etc.

 

[EVsince2016]

There is great TED Talk busting the myth that EV’s are greener; it simply isn’t true if you take the entire lifecycle from manufacture to end of life and the carbon footprint of all the support facilities that all transport requires regardless of its propulsion fuel. Overall a diesel and an EV throughout their lifecycle have the same footprint, (with larger battery EV’s having a slightly higher footprint). We absolutely love our MG4 Trophy Extended Range, but we didn’t purchase it under any illusion it would be saving the polar bears.

EVs are cleaner.

There are still many who report long debunked figures showing EVs are not cleaner.

They play the well to wheel to waste & poorest consumption figures for EVs versus tank to wheel only for ICEs using optimal MPGs.

The best scam was the electric Volvo chassis had 4x the embedded CO2 of the identical ICE version.

All snake oil by the oil industry.

 

[EVsince2016]

What IAM saying is they still have all their coal fired power stations, unlike the UK that has none . America is on the drill drill for oil , the UK is on the close close all the oil fields. So we can be the saviours of the planet. America and china will all be driving about in ice vehicles 100 years from now , and the UK will be tits up a total shit show . 2030 won't happen for the end of ice vehicle manufacturing, that's my opinion though, The UK couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery that's my mumping and moaning finished, ? I ALWAYS LIKE TO FINISH ON A POSITIVE NOTE

China build more solar / wind a year than the rest of the world combined. Same with all vehicle types, and that's just for within China.

If we still manufactured our own stuff, we'd still have coal power, we instead exported the pollution to China.

If China didn't make wind / solar stuff for us there would be no green revolution.

Swings & Roundabouts