So long and thanks for all the FSH

[pjmmk]

I bought one for the MG. I don't drive with it, because I don't need it. But I do use it if I need to just move the car a few times - having to mess about with the belt becomes a nuisance. Every other car I've driven just has an alert, the MG is the only car I've had that prevents you driving. What surprises me is the variance between similar cars. You'd imagine that they'd all be the same with things like this.

 

[Kenp1]

As I said at least on my MG4 there is way round it using the parking brake switch, in the Kia you had to put the belt, not a big issue.

I wonder if it is different software versions on the car?

 

[Ferretusmaximus]

Just wondering why the title of this thread has been edited (by a moderator?) - it was a joke on Full Service History (as in the car had one).

 

[Ferretusmaximus]

For clarity the seat belt issue was experienced as follows:
Join back of queue with seatbelt on.
Engage Parking Brake (because Autohold keeps the brake lights on which can annoy those behind).
Queue moves.
Press throttle to move off - car bounces on suspension, parking brake stays on, car shows message to put on the seatbelt.
Problem is cleared by releasing the seatbelt and re-applying.
Hopefully the solution is discovered before the cars queuing behind get too annoyed.

 

[salty]

Just wondering why the title of this thread has been edited (by a moderator?) - it was a joke on Full Service History (as in the car had one).

God knows. It makes even less, sense, now, then it did before.

 

[salty]

For clarity the seat belt issue was experienced as follows:
Join back of queue with seatbelt on.
Engage Parking Brake (because Autohold keeps the brake lights on which can annoy those behind).
Queue moves.
Press throttle to move off - car bounces on suspension, parking brake stays on, car shows message to put on the seatbelt.
Problem is cleared by released the seatbelt and re-applying.
Hopefully the solution is discovered before the cars queuing behind get too annoyed.

Never had that problem. But to be fair never use auto-hold.

 

[Kenp1]

I always use autohold and have never had that issue.

 

[Alb]

Just wondering why the title of this thread has been edited (by a moderator?) - it was a joke on Full Service History (as in the car had one).

Thought it was a genuine keyboard error. These get fixed in the background all the time
I've put it back as it was.

 

[Martinonline]

Never had the seatbelt problem that you described and I have queued using the parking brake (at the local recycling centre). And I often move the car on my drive and when reverse parking without using the seatbelt. (I don't fully trust the reversing camera/sensors.)

 

[Jamesrr]

For clarity the seat belt issue was experienced as follows:

I don't regard the following as "an issue" at all. It seems to me it is working as it should.

Join back of queue with seatbelt on.
Engage Parking Brake (because Autohold keeps the brake lights on which can annoy those behind).

First point. This is a scenario which Autohold is perfectly designed for. Indeed the availability of Autohold is why I can never be bothered manually enabling OPD ( One Pedal Driving) at the start of every journey and just leave the regen setting at 3, but I digress.

So you've arrived somewhere you want the car to be stopped until you press the accelerator to shuffle off until you need to come to a full stop again.
You slow down and then give the brake a light "double tap" activating Autohold and the brake lights come on as they should!

If anyone behind me is annoyed with the brake lights being on they're an idiot and can just get over it. Indeed, as the driver behind I want to see them on so I'm sure the car is not going to roll back on me if we're on a slight incline for example.

What you wouldn't do is manually engage the parking brake unless you really are going to be stopped for an extended period and aware that you will subsequently have to manually disengage it before driving off.

Queue moves.
Press throttle to move off - car bounces on suspension, parking brake stays on, car shows message to put on the seatbelt.

Well quite. So it should. You haven't manually disengaged the parking brake!
Granted, that message is misleading and a "problem" but hardly a significant issue.
Just turn the parking brake off before moving on.
If you want to be able to stop with the brakes on and be able to disengage them by pressing the accelerator use Autohold. That's what it's specifically designed to do.

Problem is cleared by released the seatbelt and re-applying.
Hopefully the solution is discovered before the cars queuing behind get too annoyed.

I think you've made a rod for your own back and I really don't think anyone behind would be the slightest bit annoyed that the car they're waiting behind has had its brake lights on.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

If you read through the maintenance/repair manuals ( see Siteguru ) it has something called " learning mode " I do not understand it but maybe ..... If you use the manual handbrake release regularly to drive without the seatbelt connected for manoeuvring , it remembers it and allows you to do it. If on the other hand , you only try to use it sporadically it remains at a default setting and asks you to plug in the seatbelt.
Like a few , I find it a boon and use it a lot, but in the early days it was always reminding me to fasten the seatbelt, now, hardly ever?

 

[decrep]

God knows. It makes even less, sense, now, then it did before.

So long and thanks for all the fish. Is the title of one of the "hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" series by Douglas Adams.
I thought it was referencing that, and a typo had left the i out of fish.

I didn't twig that fsh stood for full service history.

A very clever, post thread, for those that recognised it for it's original intent.

BTW I just love Douglas Adams

 

[Ian Key]

For clarity the seat belt issue was experienced as follows:
Join back of queue with seatbelt on.
Engage Parking Brake (because Autohold keeps the brake lights on which can annoy those behind).
Queue moves.
Press throttle to move off - car bounces on suspension, parking brake stays on, car shows message to put on the seatbelt.
Problem is cleared by releasing the seatbelt and re-applying.
Hopefully the solution is discovered before the cars queuing behind get too annoyed.

Do you mean you engage the parking brake by pressing the P on the gear selector or are you engaging the handbrake using the switch by its side?

 

[salty]

So long and thanks for all the fish. Is the title of one of the "hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" series by Douglas Adams.
I thought it was referencing that, and a typo had left the i out of fish.

I didn't twig that fsh stood for full service history.

A very clever, post thread, for those that recognised it for it's original intent.

BTW I just love Douglas Adams

Did twig it was Full Service History, just didn't understand it. And and even less so when it changed to Fish.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

So long and thanks for all the fish. Is the title of one of the "hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" series by Douglas Adams.
I thought it was referencing that, and a typo had left the i out of fish.

I didn't twig that fsh stood for full service history.

A very clever, post thread, for those that recognised it for it's original intent.

BTW I just love Douglas Adams

In parliamentary terms, " the eyes have it " !!! In a dyslexic moment I read it as , fish , and will continue to do so, I'm not going to change my ways now. Now! if only I could see my FSH I might change my mind.

 

[Martinonline]

Just experimented whilst moving from one parking bay to the adjacent to allow a passenger to get in.

Without the seatbelt plugged in I was able to reverse out of the bay and move forward twice so as to fit into the next bay. As I entered the bay I stopped, autohold engaged and then I lifted the parking brake. When I pressed the accelerator the car did not move and showed the 'Please fasten seatbelt' sign. I did and then I could move the car forward.

 

[Ferretusmaximus]

Do you mean you engage the parking brake by pressing the P on the gear selector or are you engaging the handbrake using the switch by its side?

The handbrake, they're both labelled P so easy to confuse. Call me old-fashioned but when I was taught to drive you came to a stop (for whatever reason) then applied the handbrake and disengaged the gear until it was time to move off when you engaged 1st gear and released the handbrake as you set off. Don't see any reason to change that recipe other than modern vehicles releasing the handbrake for you when you press the throttle. Not sure why this topic has caused so much heat - irrespective of the cause, if the car says "apply seatbelt" when the seatbelt is already applied it is an issue, fault, bug, call it what you like.

 

[Martinonline]

For me, the question is 'is there a bug?' Because, if there is, then we should be all up in arms for it to be fixed.

However, if it only a problem with your car or your usage then to tar the whole brand with that fault is not correct. I am always keen to find the reasons for a perceived fault and to seek solutions in case I end up in the same situation.

As I said in my previous post, I have used the pull-up parking brake, having inserted my seatbelt at the start of my drive, with no problems. So the jury is out on whether your car has a problem or mine.

Leaving a problem 'in the air' should not be a solution.

 

[Ian Key]

The handbrake, they're both labelled P so easy to confuse. Call me old-fashioned but when I was taught to drive you came to a stop (for whatever reason) then applied the handbrake and disengaged the gear until it was time to move off when you engaged 1st gear and released the handbrake as you set off. Don't see any reason to change that recipe other than modern vehicles releasing the handbrake for you when you press the throttle. Not sure why this topic has caused so much heat - irrespective of the cause, if the car says "apply seatbelt" when the seatbelt is already applied it is an issue, fault, bug, call it what you like.

I was taught the same and I still apply the handbrake when I stop for longer than a few seconds.

Back to your seat belt problem. I tried to replicate it in my car using both the hand brake and the parking brake. At no time did it ask for the seat belt to be fastened. Your car has a fault and needs to be seen by your dealer. If it doesn't do it every time I suggest getting your passenger to video it.

 

[JonnyG]

..................Your car has a fault and needs to be seen by your dealer. If it doesn't do it every time I suggest getting your passenger to video it.

That's one for the next owner I think going by the first post .